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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:22 AM   #1
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No doors = no mirrors

Obviously when the doors are taken off of my TJ the side mirrors are gone. I was wondering how big a deal it is to drive around without side mirrors. I play hockey with a local cop and he said that he did not know if there was a law against not having side mirrors in Idaho. (if a cop doesn't know how should I know - right?) So I thought Id ask everyone here if they have ever been hassled because they had no side mirrors. Seems like the rear view mirror would be good enough for the occiasional door-less drive.

Then I started thinking that when I install the wilderness bumper/tire carrier/trail rack (should be here next week) that maybe my rear view won't work so well - anyone know about that?


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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:24 AM   #2
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I also couldn't find a law in Georgia about whether or not it was legal, but I found that I was uncomfortable driving without at least a driver side mirror so i just got some stuff at home depot to make a way to mount the mirror to where the door pin goes in.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:25 AM   #3
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I can only speak for Texas law, it requires just 1 rear looking mirror to be in place at all times, which the center rear-view mirror suffices.

Somebody from your state will probably chime in here on it.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:28 AM   #4
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for a wrangler. when the top is down and the doors are off... there really are no blind spots....

ive been driving with out mirrors for a year now... and i believe ny requires a drivers at least one mirror...


untill you put the new bumper and stuff on, i think youll be fine...
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:40 AM   #5
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for a wrangler. when the top is down and the doors are off... there really are no blind spots....

ive been driving with out mirrors for a year now... and i believe ny requires a drivers at least one mirror...


untill you put the new bumper and stuff on, i think youll be fine...
This repeated discussion of mirrors/no mirrors amazes me.

No blind spots in a wrangler?? You've got to be kidding!!

I rode a motorcycle for close to 40 years and I can tell you that every vehicle has very large blind spots. There is one big one that includes everything to the rear of about 30 degrees on each side of the drivers' head. All mirrors do is help reduce the blind spot. Even with the inside mirror and two outside mirrors the size of the blind spots for the typical driver is huge. Why do we want to make those blind spots even bigger by not replacing the door mirrors when we run with no mirrors?

Come on guys, spend a few pennies and put some mirrors on the sides when you remove the doors. It doesn't cost that much or take much time. You might save a life by doing it.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:50 AM   #6
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I have side mirrors strickly to stay legal. I wish I was in the habit of using them, but I never do.

I think I'll be buying the CJ style mirrors soon. The mirror movers are no good IMO
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:55 AM   #7
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There are blind spots w/o doors or mirrors. Don't ask me how I know.

You can buy some used, stock Harley Davidson mirrors that will fit in the top hinge that is left open when you remove the door. I have a pair. I think they cost me $10. You can search the internet to find the part numbers for the mirrors, then ask any shops if they have any take-offs. HD people replace the stock ones quite often.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 07:59 AM   #8
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No doors + no mirrors = semi-cool jeep.

Keep cutting you are getting there.

With no tint on the back window (if you have one) all you need is a rear view mirror.

Be careful with only one mirror. Lot easier to cut someone off when you do not mean too because you did not see them.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 08:00 AM   #9
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There are blind spots w/o doors or mirrors. Don't ask me how I know.

You can buy some used, stock Harley Davidson mirrors that will fit in the top hinge that is left open when you remove the door. I have a pair. I think they cost me $10. You can search the internet to find the part numbers for the mirrors, then ask any shops if they have any take-offs. HD people replace the stock ones quite often.
Here are some that will work and are along the line of what dakuda is talking about and they are inexpensive.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrom...mZ330119018147
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Unread 05-18-2007, 08:08 AM   #10
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TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 9
VEHICLE EQUIPMENT
49-940. MIRRORS. (1) Every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a mirror
so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the highway for a distance
of at least two hundred (200) feet to the rear of the vehicle.
(2) When a motor vehicle is so loaded or constructed, or is towing a
vehicle or trailer which is so loaded or constructed as to obstruct the
driver's view straight to the rear, then the motor vehicle shall be equipped
with a mirror on the left side and a mirror on the right side so located as to
reflect to the operator a view of the highway for a distance of at least two
hundred (200) feet to the rear of the vehicle.
(3) When an operator of a motor vehicle is transporting under special
permit authority an oversize load which makes mirrors impractical devices for
reflecting to the operator a view of the highway to the rear, a following
escort vehicle equipped with proper mirrors meeting the requirements herein
may be substituted for the required mirrors on the hauling motor vehicle. The
escort vehicle must be a car or light truck and it must be equipped with an
oversize load sign, flashing or rotating lights, and a two (2) way radio which
provides full-time communication with the escorted vehicle.


http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newi...id=490090040.K
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Unread 05-18-2007, 08:26 AM   #11
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Thanks for the replies!

I think I will be looking at getting a side mirror. However - it looks like I am legal so long as my rear view mirror is not obstructed. I am not driving on the free way, or passing people on the high way, changing lanes etc... I live in a one horse-one stop light kind of town. But eventually I may venture out of this place with my TJ and will want a side mirror. I will add it to the list of things to get. Thanks again.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 08:33 AM   #12
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for a wrangler. when the top is down and the doors are off... there really are no blind spots....

ive been driving with out mirrors for a year now... and i believe ny requires a drivers at least one mirror...
NY requires a rear-view mirror and a driver's side mirror, or if the view out of the rear windshield is obstructed, both driver and passenger side mirrors. That being said, I've never been hassled for not having mirrors.
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Unread 05-18-2007, 08:48 AM   #13
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(if a cop doesn't know how should I know - right?)

ignorance to the law is no excuse. For CA, there are two required mirrors at all times - the driver's side, and one other of the rear-view and the passenger side.
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i dont know about you guys, but when i have the top and doors off, and i look in my rear view... i see from roll bar to roll bar...

compared to driving any other vehicle (motercycles excluded) i would say the wrangler has close to no blind spots...

If i were driving a mini van, i would never go mirrorless...
but as long as your aware of your surroundings, youre fine...


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There are blind spots w/o doors or mirrors. Don't ask me how I know.
how do you know???
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Unread 05-18-2007, 09:48 AM   #15
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We have to have one rear vision mirror in MS. I called the MDT for that bit of info. I didn't have to add a side view, but I love it and wouldn't want to drive without it. I fabbed my own.
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