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Unread 05-03-2012, 06:20 AM   #46
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Swagger, would you like a tissue? You're the only person boo whooing about this. At the end of the day he's just another person that took his own life. How about all of the real heroes (soldiers) that take their life Bc if their jobs? We should be more concerned about preventing that. Without them we wouldn't have an NFL. Now go ahead and start bashing me about how stupid I am.
Suicide is sad no matter who it is. It is still a taboo discussion about it. Whether it is a teenager, veteran, football player or anyone its very unfortunate.

I will not call football players or any other athlete a hero unless they actually are due to their off the field activities. Many go back into their former neighborhoods and start businesses and employ people that otherwise would have been doing who knows what.

Junior Seau Foundation is the 13th largest foundation that was ran by an athlete. Countless others run foundations including my favorite Strikeouts for troops ran by Barry Zito.

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Unread 05-03-2012, 07:01 AM   #47
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Yeah, he was a pretty large community figure in San Diego and I don't think most people who don't follow the NFL realize that. For every dozen of the players who hit their girlfriends or have 17 kids or get into shootings at night clubs, there's a Junior Seau-type who actually contributes to the public, but you don't hear about those stories as much because they don't make headlines. To say he was 'just another person who took his own life' is ignorant and unfounded. It's rather telling to see a lot of these comments come from people who don't watch the sport to begin with.


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5-90 I don't believe you were ever "too mean" for football.
He probably was, but only if he was being judged by coaches who didn't know what the hell they were doing. He could have been Gregg Williams' favorite player ever and made plenty of money on the side.
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Unread 05-03-2012, 07:22 AM   #48
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Swagger, would you like a tissue? You're the only person boo whooing about this. At the end of the day he's just another person that took his own life. How about all of the real heroes (soldiers) that take their life Bc if their jobs? We should be more concerned about preventing that. Without them we wouldn't have an NFL. Now go ahead and start bashing me about how stupid I am.
All of this goes without even having to say you ****ing knucklehead. We all support our troops. But why does that mean that we cannot feel sorry about the fact that one of the greatest football players to ever live and a hero to a lot of people is DEAD? You are stupid. Stop comparing SOLDIERS to football players. They shouldn't even be mentioned together. But you and the other mouth breathers continue to do it.
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He probably was, but only if he was being judged by coaches who didn't know what the hell they were doing. He could have been Gregg Williams' favorite player ever and made plenty of money on the side.
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Yeah, he was a pretty large community figure in San Diego and I don't think most people who don't follow the NFL realize that. For every dozen of the players who hit their girlfriends or have 17 kids or get into shootings at night clubs, there's a Junior Seau-type who actually contributes to the public, but you don't hear about those stories as much because they don't make headlines. To say he was 'just another person who took his own life' is ignorant and unfounded. It's rather telling to see a lot of these comments come from people who don't watch the sport to begin with.


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Junior was a genuine good guy in football. Excellent player, excellent person. It is sad that he could not find help, or hid from it. It is sad.

If you want to get rid of concussions, get rid of the helmets, get rid of the pads. But we want our football players to look like gladiators. We need big shoulders, we need warriors. That is what sells, unfortunately. Get rid of the pads and helmets and you will find less concussions.
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Curious. What are the numbers of suicides among NFL players compared to the general population?
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The pads and helmets aren't the problem, it's improper tackling technique. Too many defenders use their helmet as the primary point of contact (when velocity and energy momentum are at their peaks) and too often aim at their opponent's helmets. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but in nearly all instances when an injury occurs, it was deliberate and intentional.

I know a lot of fans are *****ing about the penalties, fines and suspensions for helmet-to-helmet hits, but if these guys are taught to tackle properly (which should be done fundamentally from Pop Warner-level on up) and changed their approach, the injuries would plummet and the fans wouldn't even notice the difference. We're still seeing a lot of Seau-esque stories now because these retired players played in decades where blowing up someone with your helmet was a highlight, not a suspension and a fine. Hopefully the awareness of head trauma in the past few years in all levels of football lead to better tackling instruction and execution, so these players don't habitually headhunt like it's second nature; a la James Harrison "I don't know how to play any other way."
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6 times the national average...
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All of this goes without even having to say you ****ing knucklehead. We all support our troops. But why does that mean that we cannot feel sorry about the fact that one of the greatest football players to ever live and a hero to a lot of people is DEAD? You are stupid. Stop comparing SOLDIERS to football players. They shouldn't even be mentioned together. But you and the other mouth breathers continue to do it.
You mad? My point is that I don't hear you defending the dead troops or any other person who has been a hero to someone for that matter. You are like the general public. Crying just because he was famous. I'm not saying its not unfortunate. Such is life. He knew the inherent risks of his job and was paid for. Ultimately paying himself for. I still have that tissue for you.
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Crying just because he was famous. I'm not saying its not unfortunate. Such is life. He knew the inherent risks of his job and was paid for. Ultimately paying himself for. I still have that tissue for you.
Could the same not be said for a soldier? They definitely are not paid as well as Seau, but they know the risks and they still signed up for it. A soldier's suicide is no less or more tragic than Seau's, they both are tragic. Besides I don't think he was equivocating Seau's death to be more important than that of a soldier, he was just mourning the death of a stellar athlete and community figure.
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Yeah this was a sad deal Jr seau was my all time fav player. Rip
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The pads and helmets aren't the problem, it's improper tackling technique. Too many defenders use their helmet as the primary point of contact (when velocity and energy momentum are at their peaks) and too often aim at their opponent's helmets. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but in nearly all instances when an injury occurs, it was deliberate and intentional.
I agree that proper tackling would help the problem. I am merely suggesting that getting rid of the pads and helmets would promote proper tackling.
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The American flag stickers on my Jeep and the Don't Tread On Me flag that sits above my head in my living room are constant reminders of how thankful I am of our troops. I don't need to defend them. The troops shouldn't have even been brought into this.
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Could the same not be said for a soldier? They definitely are not paid as well as Seau, but they know the risks and they still signed up for it. A soldier's suicide is no less or more tragic than Seau's, they both are tragic. Besides I don't think he was equivocating Seau's death to be more important than that of a soldier, he was just mourning the death of a stellar athlete and community figure.
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