[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by RepublicanJeepr

I feel that anybody that is legally able to obtain a permit should be able to carry concealed anywhere they want. You must be 21 to get one, so, high school students are out.

Right.....like I said before it sounds so much better to arm college kids. The one time one of them goes on a binge drinking spree and discharges his weapon we can all kiss CCW permits goodbye.

[2005Unlimited]

Originally Posted by XJ2Timer

Contrary to what books and movies say, the wild west wasn't that wild. Why? The Civil war was recent history and most people had guns and knew how to use them. This fact kept a lot of lawlessness in check.

Perhaps we need mandatory military service. Out of high school, two years of service gets you two years of paid college. Every adult would know how to use firearms and more importantly they would know to respect them and to use judgement before they use them.

Mothers off America would have none of that. I know that for fact. Recruiting duty

[TJgreg]

Originally Posted by Jeepdawgs

Right.....like I said before it sounds so much better to arm college kids. The one time one of them goes on a binge drinking spree and discharges his weapon we can all kiss CCW permits goodbye.

bingo. everyone is not as responsible as we wish they could be.

I am all for properly trained civilians carrying in public, but definitely not having unprepared, untrained people with deadly weapons.

[mytjtoy]

Originally Posted by 2005Unlimited

Do you really feel that people in college should carry guns.

Well then lets give them to high school students too. Colmbine ?????

I don't think so

I should have clarified it a tad better--I meant one of the teachers to carry because too many of the young punks are wacko's now a days! IMO

[Rob99]

Originally Posted by RepublicanJeepr

I think it's funny that more than a few people, in this thread, have said that they are gun supporters, yet, don't trust anybody else to carry a weapon responsibly. What makes you so special? I think it's our responsibility to protect ourselves, not the governments. I say, the more trained, armed, responsible people, the better. Banning guns doesn't take guns away from the criminals, only the law abiding citizens. If there were a legally armed student or two, there wouldn't be 32 dead. The killer might have gotten of a couple of shots, but, it surely wouldn't have been like shooting fish in a barrel, like it was. Those that blame the guns are, in my opinion, ignorant.

That's a big IF.

Here's another: If he wasn't able to easily purchase a handgun less than a month ago, there wouldn't be 32 dead either.

One law enforcement official has said that the gunman's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. The gunman held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by TJgreg

bingo. everyone is not as responsible as we wish they could be.

I am all for properly trained civilians carrying in public, but definitely not having unprepared, untrained people with deadly weapons.

Agreed. Though I think you and I are in the minority. I am all for the second amendment. The CCW is not a right but a privlage, that is not avail to all people depending on the state you live in. I think part of the requirment to aquire a CCW should be a class on non-lethal force and the explanation of when to use the proper force. It is for everybodies protection. If a person carrying a gun injuries or kills somebody it is a burden they will have to live with the rest of their life. Also if somebody injurys or kills somebody you know that a money hungary lawyers seeking damages is not far behind. The moral of the story is not to worry about pulling out your weapon but to use your head first in dealing with a rough situation.

[Rob99]

Originally Posted by TJgreg

and what exactly are you doing to support the country?

He goes to Jimmy Buffet concerts.


Edit: crap I just realized War Eagle already made my joke...you magnificent bastard!

[TJgreg]

Originally Posted by Rob99

That's a big IF.

Here's another: If he wasn't able to easily purchase a handgun less than a month ago, there wouldn't be 32 dead either.

whammy. beat me to it.

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by Rob99

He goes to Jimmy Buffet concerts.

And watches American Idol. (i hate that lame ****ing show)

[mytjtoy]

I know one thing for sure, if we would happen to be one of the unlucky parents that had one of their sons or daughters killed, our outlook on having teachers carrying guns would be totally different.

I say at least let teachers carry stun guns (the type that throws the things out) so they don't have to get close to the crazy student. The other thing is, let's start looking at the parents for reasons why the kids are literally crazy! You'll always have that one oddball from a nice family but the majority come from screwed up homes! Let's start holding the parents accountable if there is proof they weren't responsible in raising the child!

Those found guilty would not be able to purchase a Jeep!

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by mytjtoy

I know one thing for sure, if we would happen to be one of the unlucky parents that had one of their sons or daughters killed, our outlook on having teachers carrying guns would be totally different.

I say at least let teachers carry stun guns (the type that throws the things out) so they don't have to get close to the crazy student. The other thing is, let's start looking at the parents for reasons why the kids are literally crazy! You'll always have that one oddball from a nice family but the majority come from screwed up homes! Let's start holding the parents accountable if there is proof they weren't responsible in raising the child!

Those found guilty would not be able to purchase a Jeep!

AHMEN!!! On the radio this morning 4 out of the five people that called in used video games, TV and guns as the excuse. The only one said that his kids are not allowed to watch certain shows or play certain games, that the problem with todays youth originates from parenting and upbringing.

[97Xj_Sport]

Maybe I suck at reading but it sounds like some of you are making the argument that college age kids (21 and over) shouldn't be able to obtain a CHL or CCW (same thing) because they might get drunk and start unloading the magazine on people? The thing is thousands of college students already have concealed liscences already and how many cases have you heard of this happening? Secondly, you don't have to have a concealed liscence to own a handgun, just to carry it in public. Theres no way you could say that Chl's would have more harm than good on a college campus.

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by 97Xj_Sport

Maybe I suck at reading but it sounds like some of you are making the argument that college age kids (21 and over) shouldn't be able to obtain a CHL or CCW (same thing) because they might get drunk and start unloading the magazine on people? The thing is thousands of college students already have concealed liscences already and how many cases have you heard of this happening? Secondly, you don't have to have a concealed liscence to own a handgun, just to carry it in public. Theres no way you could say that Chl's would have more harm than good on a college campus.

All the Colleges I know will not allow firearms on campus. Hence the CHL and CCW argument goes out the window.

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by 97Xj_Sport

Maybe I suck at reading but it sounds like some of you are making the argument that college age kids (21 and over) shouldn't be able to obtain a CHL or CCW (same thing) because they might get drunk and start unloading the magazine on people? The thing is thousands of college students already have concealed liscences already and how many cases have you heard of this happening? Secondly, you don't have to have a concealed liscence to own a handgun, just to carry it in public. Theres no way you could say that Chl's would have more harm than good on a college campus.

You may be missing the point a little. We were not saying that you should NOT be able to aquire a CCW it is just that there needs to be some training/instruction needed to obtain a permit. They may have a liscense but they cannot carry on campus. If they carry when they go to a bar full of people then they are stupid. Number one you should never handle a firearm while intoxicated ( imagine trying to shoot straight when your drunk, could easily kill an innocent bystander), number two all it takes is for another drunk to find out you are carrying and think it is funny to go for your weapon. Again, common sense has to take precedence. I think we are all well aware that you don't need a CCW to own a handgun.

[drummerwookie]

Originally Posted by Jeepdawgs

AHMEN!!! On the radio this morning 4 out of the five people that called in used video games, TV and guns as the excuse. The only one said that his kids are not allowed to watch certain shows or play certain games, that the problem with todays youth originates from parenting and upbringing.

i 100% agree with that. i get sick and tired of people blaming hollywood, or games or music, or guns for that matter, for all these random shootings. ive played those kinda games all the time, in fact, my favorite game is Halo..lol..i watch shoot 'em up movies all the time, i listen to heavy metal like killswitch, every now and then some manson, and others, AND, i love guns. i love taking them apart, i love handling them, i love shooting them (at a safe shooting range), and i just simply love guns. BUT, i could not even fathom injuring one person with a gun, unless i need it for self defence, which is where the CCW will come in

the reason i cant fathom doing that kinda thing, is bc i have great, and i mean GREAT parents that taught me right from wrong. they made sure that i always did the right thing even if i threw a fit..

i also agree with you about the non lethal self defence training. it is a VERY good idea to know how to decide when a gun is needed, and that is the absolute last resort. i mean, ive had problems with people b4 i really was into guns, but i always had a knife on me, yet i never ONCE thought about even using it. if i was pushed to it, then yea, i would have, but it was never needed. and im sure the VERY fine line between non-leathal and lethal action will be a hard one to determine at time, so i hope to god i never have to make that decision. but, its going to be nice to know i have that extra protection if need be