[EagerJeeper]

Needed: More Americans with guns

Posted: April 17, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Andrew Longman

First, it is not a tragedy. Tragedies are sad things that occur naturally. A friend dying of cancer is a tragedy. This, instead, is an act of evil and of infamy. It is an act of terror and sabotage. The murders at Virginia Tech are willful malevolence, but they are not tragedy.

Second, the White House temporary press secretary just showed she is an amateur. Dana Perino: "The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed."

That is a really dumb remark.

The idea that Americans should be hearing from the White House is: "The right to keep and bear arms provides for concealed-carry laws, which could have prevented this situation. We do not know why there were not more law-abiding citizens carrying firearms in the vicinity so that this madman could have been stopped. The vulnerability of our population to terrorism needs to be addressed, and the Second Amendment to the Constitution provides a starting point. The president intends to do everything he can to see more lawful people armed as a bulwark against terror."

We have got to get over this namby-pamby, lets-squeeze-a-teddy-bear mentality. Frankly, the feminine response has become the national first-responder. It is fine for the families, for the home life, for children and for the interpersonal relationships that have been affected by this act of terrorism. But the public response, the societal response, the nationwide reaction, as distinguished from the interpersonal one, needs to be masculine, firm, well-defined and solution-oriented. I don't want to hear a bunch of emotional garbage from the president of Virginia Tech or the president of the United States. I want to hear of good and evil.

And I want to hear about the good guys being armed and the bad guys being shot dead.

We should conduct a public ad campaign urging the law-abiding public to utilize concealed-carry laws as a bulwark against terrorism. We should consider legislation in state legislatures and Congress to require a large portion of teachers, professors, coaches, etc., to be given incentive to pass firearms training and carry weapons. And we should quit thinking of this as a random, naturally occurring, unavoidable disaster like a tornado.

You do not fight evil the same way you fight an earthquake. Disasters can be confronted with statistics and preparedness. But in the case of an evil-motivated individual, the only way to combat an evil intelligence is with another intelligence. You can hide people in basements from tornados, but there is no such thing as a safe-room where an intelligence is trying to get in. That should be the big lesson here: Lockdowns are for tornados, well-armed good-guys are the solution for bad guys. It is folly to propose the police as the well-armed good guys. They get called only after something happens. The good guys must be the great, historical, American citizen minuteman, the militia, the God-fearing and law-abiding rugged Yankee, the hospitable and reverent Southern gentleman with a shotgun within arms reach.

All of these massacres, these terrorist attacks, have genuine possibilities for being stopped dead in their tracks if they encounter a well-armed, well-trained, educated public vigilant to defend their freedoms. The proper private response to this evil is to share the emotion and inestimable losses with the families. But the proper public response is to promote the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

We can stop this evil if we choose to.

Let's roll.

[Grewe02]

Yippie Kiya Mother ****er!

[mecompco]

As good as the sentiment is, the United States of America, Inc. is too far gone for this to ever happen. Sorry.

[War Eagle]

yes, the solution is obviously MORE guns in schools.

[Grewe02]

Originally Posted by War Eagle

yes, the solution is obviously MORE guns in schools.

As long as they're educated on the weapon, and responsible (IE, CW permit), I don't see why they shouldn't be able to. I plan on buying a Glock 27 soon for concealment, and I'm going to carry it everywhere I go. Even when I start college in a year.

[War Eagle]

Originally Posted by Grewe02

As long as they're educated on the weapon, and responsible (IE, CW permit), I don't see why they shouldn't be able to. I plan on buying a Glock 27 soon for concealment, and I'm going to carry it everywhere I go. Even when I start college in a year.

Knock yourself out, but most colleges prohibit weapons on campus. If you're caught with it they really won't care that you have a CCW. You'll most likely be expelled and arrested.

[Don X]

Based on the quality (or lack thereof) of the average comment in this forum, I don't know if I would post anything to encourage the members here to take up arms. Remember, the total sum of all intelligence on earth is a constant but the population continues to grow.

[sctigerjeep]

Originally Posted by War Eagle

yes, the solution is obviously MORE guns in schools.

let me put this in plain terms.

i am a college student. i have my CCW permit. if i was allowed to carry on campus, i would. if a gun toting asian came into my classroom and started shooting people, i would shoot back. therefore 1 more gun in school = 20+ lives saved right there. now, lets say that the gun toting asian knows that concealed carry is legal on campus... he knows that all it takes is one responsible, armed citizen to cut his killing spree short. he decides not to test his luck, and 30 lives are now saved. i am tired of looking for reactive solutions to this problem. why can't we be proactive, and be prepared for the situation should it present itself. so yes, in this case(and any others like it), carrying a firearm would have saved not only the life of the person using it, but many others.



now i'll get off my soapbox.

[Don X]

I can se it now, add 20 more students carrying a concealed piece and they all open up at the same time. Wonder who gets caught in the cross fire?

[Red_Ak_Ranger]

What if I'm a gun carrying college student and something really pisses me off. Say my girlfriend is being gangbanged by the lacrosse team. Could this "sortof momentary" anger, coupled with the fact I now have a gun, lead me to shoot some people?

I'm actually pro carrying guns though..

Originally Posted by sctigerjeep

let me put this in plain terms.

i am a college student. i have my CCW permit. if i was allowed to carry on campus, i would. if a gun toting asian came into my classroom and started shooting people, i would shoot back. therefore 1 more gun in school = 20+ lives saved right there. now, lets say that the gun toting asian knows that concealed carry is legal on campus... he knows that all it takes is one responsible, armed citizen to cut his killing spree short. he decides not to test his luck, and 30 lives are now saved. i am tired of looking for reactive solutions to this problem. why can't we be proactive, and be prepared for the situation should it present itself. so yes, in this case(and any others like it), carrying a firearm would have saved not only the life of the person using it, but many others.



now i'll get off my soapbox.

Well I agree with you on some levels I also disagree with you.

What I am still having trouble understanding though is how do 50+ people let one guy with a hand gun shoot all them. It would of taken a couple of brave men to sacrifices their lives to take this clown down and several more people would be alive.

[Grewe02]

sctigerjeep, You summed up what I was trying to say. I'm not exactly the best with words. Thanks.

[JeepHunter89]

I have my guns and knives right next to my bed. I'm ready to go fight terrorism!

[Jeepdawgs]

Originally Posted by sctigerjeep

let me put this in plain terms.

i am a college student. i have my CCW permit. if i was allowed to carry on campus, i would. if a gun toting asian came into my classroom and started shooting people, i would shoot back. therefore 1 more gun in school = 20+ lives saved right there. now, lets say that the gun toting asian knows that concealed carry is legal on campus... he knows that all it takes is one responsible, armed citizen to cut his killing spree short. he decides not to test his luck, and 30 lives are now saved. i am tired of looking for reactive solutions to this problem. why can't we be proactive, and be prepared for the situation should it present itself. so yes, in this case(and any others like it), carrying a firearm would have saved not only the life of the person using it, but many others.



now i'll get off my soapbox.

Right.....And off campus you have a bunch of drunk kids with guns. As much as I would like to agree with you I cannot. I am still trying to put my thoughts into words.

[LandRover]

Originally Posted by sctigerjeep

now i'll get off my soapbox.

Take your racist commentary with you. Who cares that the dude was Asian?