[PrfctAggression]

I say that we just bring all our boys home since the world is so against the "imperialism" symbolized by our military, and our incessant "meddling". Let Korea, Iraq, and the rest of the world sort crap out on their own. Make our foreign policy real simple: Leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. F**k with us and we're gonna rip off your head and s**t down your neck.

Oh, and while we're at it, the UN is cut of from the billions of dollars the US currently contributes.

[akuma]

Originally Posted by PrfctAggression

Let Korea, Iraq, and the rest of the world sort crap out on their own. Make our foreign policy real simple: Leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. F**k with us and we're gonna rip off your head and s**t down your neck.

Oh, and while we're at it, the UN is cut of from the billions of dollars the US currently contributes.

I fully agree. If the US hadn't put it's head in those countries to begin with, then it wouldn't have to go back and clean it up. Sadam, Osama, PolPot, Pinochet, Noriega were all 'helped' along by the US.

and the US is not the only country that contributes money to the UN. I know I'm pissed that a country contributes money to an orginization that, then it doesn't listen to it when it feels like it. the UN is a joke. It has no balls to stand up to anybody

watch this, in the next 20 years, the new 'hot spot' will be Africa. it's people are now starting to stand up to the OIL and diamond compagnies. soon the army will be sent in to liberate these people from the warlords that run these countries (warlords bank rolled by corporations, who in turn contribute to the political party that will help their corporate cause)

[doorocks]

=LeftoverSalmon]Do a little research before posting BS.....[/I]
I believe I said this was an article written that was forwarded to me and I just posted it.......no more no less.

FYI, these actions taken by the far lefties in this article was not BS, our buddy Michael Moore for one, clearly stands by his reasoning that we were destroying the wildlife on the island.

Now if you REALLY want to go toe to toe with me on the facts, I will paste PAGES of facts from the people mentioned in this article, that they either contributed to the congressional committee either in writing or orally..

Why do liberals get so upset when anyone posts the truth?

[doorocks]

Originally Posted by wvd

That is, for the most part, close enough to what happened, with one glaring exception:
Governor Sila Calderon was very verbal about wanting the U.S. out of Vieques.

The funny part was he didn't think we would close RR. Nice place to visit to fuel the hydrofoil..............that's about it.

[87jeeper]

Wow, that's crazy.... My dad used to be in the Navy and we were stationed there almost 10 years ago. I used to go to the school on that base. I used to love it there. I can somewhat see why they want the bombing to stop, as I think I remember incidents of civilians hurt or killed during the bombings, I'm not sure. But yet for every person who wants us out of there, there were just as many if not more who wanted us to stay. Having lived there and being Puerto Rican myself I can understand some of the arguments of both sides, but I don't think the U.S. should pull out. I didn't think it would get this severe. Oh well.....

[cfkingfish]

Originally Posted by doorocks

Blah blah blah blah liberals suck blah blah blah

I think you have a case of diahrrea of the mouth, I would see your local doctor and get that fixed.

[doorocks]

Originally Posted by cfkingfish

I think you have a case of diahrrea of the mouth, I would see your local doctor and get that fixed.

I think you need to recheck that quote, that you have my name posted on....................I didn't post that anywhere. Posting a slanderous comment and accusing someone else of writing it, is not an honorable thing to do.

Matter of fact, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone post that particular quote.

Third, once again, I only posted and article I received, I did not write it or did I imply otherwise.

I do find it amusing when something is posted about extreme liberalism, that the personal attacks and insults start.

So don't attack someone unless it's an accurate assumption, which yours is not.

[cfkingfish]

I assumed you could take a joke.

I assumed wrong.

[K9JEEP]

Originally Posted by doorocks

So don't attack someone unless it's an accurate assumption, which yours is not.

Like a thread against Liberals right..

[LeftoverSalmon]

"Why do liberals get so upset when anyone posts the truth?"
you didnt post the truth!!

Please enlighten me!! where did this come from - "The governor stated that: 'The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads Naval Base. We are interested in both staying open and in Puerto Rico.'" I have serious doubts at the validity of this quote. I have found ZERO evidence that Calderon ever said this. The only place i have found this quote is in the so called "article" you posted.

from the puerto rico herald -- "The people of Puerto Rico don't have any interest in the closing of the Roosevelt Roads base," Calderon said. "The government of Puerto Rico is interested in that base staying in Puerto Rico , for all the economic benefits."
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2003/vol7n03/Media1-en.shtml
No where does she say anything about the puerto rican people wanting the bombing range to stay. Thats F*ing ridiculus. no one would flipflop that bad (oh, excpet kerry, right? )

let me see a source

also, I'm not doubting the fact that a lot of high profile people went there to protest. and i dont doubt that some did it only to get their name in the paper. BUT like AjRagno said they gave puerto ricans a voice in the American media.

so like i said before - do some research before posting BS

[ncb76]

Originally Posted by LeftoverSalmon

"Why do liberals get so upset when anyone posts the truth?"
you didnt post the truth!!

Please enlighten me!! where did this come from - "The governor stated that: 'The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads Naval Base. We are interested in both staying open and in Puerto Rico.'" I have serious doubts at the validity of this quote. I have found ZERO evidence that Calderon ever said this. The only place i have found this quote is in the so called "article" you posted.

from the puerto rico herald -- "The people of Puerto Rico don't have any interest in the closing of the Roosevelt Roads base," Calderon said. "The government of Puerto Rico is interested in that base staying in Puerto Rico , for all the economic benefits."
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2003/vol7n03/Media1-en.shtml
No where does she say anything about the puerto rican people wanting the bombing range to stay. Thats F*ing ridiculus. no one would flipflop that bad (oh, excpet kerry, right? )

let me see a source

also, I'm not doubting the fact that a lot of high profile people went there to protest. and i dont doubt that some did it only to get their name in the paper. BUT like AjRagno said they gave puerto ricans a voice in the American media.

so like i said before - do some research before posting BS

"The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads Naval Base. We are interested in both staying open and in Puerto Rico."

"The people of Puerto Rico don't have any interest in the closing of the Roosevelt Roads base. The government of Puerto Rico is interested in that base staying in Puerto Rico , for all the economic benefits."

The writer of the email probably misquoted the Governor on purpose. It makes for a better story. I don't believe anything I read on the internet, especially things that are posted in GD forums. However, the general point of the story holds true.

A large majority of the Puerto Rican population wanted the Navy off Vieques, but wanted the base to stay. As much as 80 percent of the activity at the Roosevelt Roads Naval base was related to trainig conducted on that island. So, when the Navy stopped conducting bombing and amphibious landing exercises, there was no need for the Naval Base to remain open. I think the most ironic thing about the story was that people were not only surprised by the closing, but they were angry. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Nothings free in this world. There is always a trade-off. Unfortunately, a lot of the 'Liberals' don't seem to understand that.

Oh, and about a lot of "High Profile" people being involved, you might want to read this:

http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode30.htm

Who knows if it is true or not? I don't care enough about this discussion to do any fact checking.

[LeftoverSalmon]

Originally Posted by ncb76

A large majority of the Puerto Rican population wanted the Navy off Vieques, but wanted the base to stay. As much as 80 percent of the activity at the Roosevelt Roads Naval base was related to trainig conducted on that island. So, when the Navy stopped conducting bombing and amphibious landing exercises, there was no need for the Naval Base to remain open. I think the most ironic thing about the story was that people were not only surprised by the closing, but they were angry. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Nothings free in this world.

i agree - what pisses me off is the blatent accusation that liberals are somehow to blame. talk about stretching the truth....er bullsh*t in this case.

[doorocks]

Originally Posted by K9JEEP

Like a thread against Liberals right..

I can't believe I have to tell someone like you, again, I only posted an article exactly as I received it, with no comment afterwards.

Do I dislike liberals? Nope not at all.............although I do think they're a disgrace to the foundation of the Democratic Party. Just as I see the far right conservatives as an insult to the GOP.

Go ahead and post an absolute political fact and ensure it's something stupid, from both sides of the aisle, and I bet you that most people in this forum will dispute your thread or blame the other party for their actions.................typical America, it's always someone else's fault. Oh, and somewhere along the line, accuse you of writing the article, statement or whatever you choose.

[robbieaoa]

Originally Posted by AjRagno

I'm not disagreeing with the logic, just Bush's shady motives for doing it now.

I see that you quoted me but maybe you didn't read my post.

IT WASN'T BUSH'S choice. It was that low life Clintons.
Rob

[AjRagno]

Originally Posted by robbieaoa

IT WASN'T BUSH'S choice. It was that low life Clintons.
Rob

Interesting [ir]rationalization. The same logic would dictate that Bush sent our troops to Iraq without a plan because Clinton decided he would.

What you are claiming with your statement is that Bush, as president, has no power to make decisions or change policies. That he had to bring our troops home because Clinton decided in 1994 that this must be done in 2004..... Now I understand why Bush thinks he has not made a single mistake while in office. It's always someone elses fault.