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Jeep Titles... What do I do with mine?

Just a question of legality, or just wondering what people do... I parted out two jeep wranglers and all I have left of them is a VIN plate that attaches to the window (YJ) and a Title. Can I sell that to a potential "builder of a Wrangler"?
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post #2 of 15 Old 08-18-2017, 04:19 PM
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People properly surrender the title and the vin plate to the salvage yard/scrap yard when they scrap a vehicle. I am surprised that the yard even took the tub without the vin and title as it is illegal around here to do so. Also buying and selling titles and vin plates is illegal and questions about doing so is frowned upon on this forum.

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If by "potential builder of a Wrangler", you mean "car thief who wants a clean VIN on the Wrangler he just jacked" (not that that ever happens in Detroit)....No, it's not even close to being legal.
You need a firewall or tub with a second matching vin. Something that has some possibility of being a real vehicle again.

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They were gradually parted out over the time off about a year. The frames and tubs were so bad they got cut up into small pieces and gradually taken to the yard over a long period of time. I still have the engine and other stuff. I'm just a hobbiest and I don't but or sell vehicles often. I usually just sell parts I don't need.a Oneing I do see a lot are people who build from the frame up. And they get parts from wherever they can. One thing that should be frowned on here is ASSuming criminal activity when it's just a question from an ignorant person. I know selling them could be illegal to a guy who stole a jeep...
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So basically just burn the title? I would hate a fellow jeeper get his rig taken away from him.
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In fact, now that I'm really thinking about it, who sells you a title when you buy a tub? Quadratech? They also sell frames... Do you get a title with that? If you roll a vehicle into a juck yard I bet they would ask for a title. But lots of people swap out tubs and frames and engines. Telling them to give up their title for sap send weird. But I guess in my case, just burn what I got.
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Legality will vary by state DMV codes, but there is nothing morally "wrong" with selling a title and VIN tag. Yes, it could be mis-used by a person with criminal intent, but one might worry about the same thing when selling a firearm. What if you had bought a new frame and new tub and rebuilt one or both of those Jeeps, would they legal or illegal ?


A guy at work fabricated a street legal Jeep rock buggy and titled it as a 1948 CJ. It has been pictured and written about in Crawl magazine. About the only 1948 part on it, is the grille. Does that make the rest of the Jeep buggy illegal ?




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They were gradually parted out over the time off about a year. The frames and tubs were so bad they got cut up into small pieces and gradually taken to the yard over a long period of time. I still have the engine and other stuff. I'm just a hobbiest and I don't but or sell vehicles often. I usually just sell parts I don't need.a Oneing I do see a lot are people who build from the frame up. And they get parts from wherever they can. One thing that should be frowned on here is ASSuming criminal activity when it's just a question from an ignorant person. I know selling them could be illegal to a guy who stole a jeep...
I didn't ASSume you were going to do anything criminal. You asked about the legality of having/selling a vin plate and title in your OP. Possessing/Selling of title and vin not attached to a vehicle is illegal.

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In fact, now that I'm really thinking about it, who sells you a title when you buy a tub? Quadratech? They also sell frames... Do you get a title with that? If you roll a vehicle into a juck yard I bet they would ask for a title. But lots of people swap out tubs and frames and engines. Telling them to give up their title for sap send weird. But I guess in my case, just burn what I got.
Having bought an aftermarket tub, you do not get a title/vin with it. You either have a donor vehicle that the DMV/DOT will transfer the vin plate from once you prove ownership of both or you assemble a new vehicle and get an assembled vehicle title. Same as doing a t-bucket or a Shelby Cobra clone. You will get paperwork from the DMV/DOT that will allow you to scrap the old body.

You may do as you wish with the titles and vin plates, but as stated it is illegal to sell them separate from the tub.

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Legality will vary by state DMV codes, but there is nothing morally "wrong" with selling a title and VIN tag. Yes, it could be mis-used by a person with criminal intent, but one might worry about the same thing when selling a firearm. What if you had bought a new frame and new tub and rebuilt one or both of those Jeeps, would they legal or illegal ?


A guy at work fabricated a street legal Jeep rock buggy and titled it as a 1948 CJ. It has been pictured and written about in Crawl magazine. About the only 1948 part on it, is the grille. Does that make the rest of the Jeep buggy illegal ?
When you rebuild the Jeep/tub swap, it is correct to have the DMV transfer the vin to the new body.

The fabricated jeep is a 'kit' car. Nothing illegal as long as it was titled correctly. Here in Illinois you can title a kit car with the year and make to what it most closely resembles.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/de...ustom_rod.html

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Also buying and selling titles and vin plates is illegal and questions about doing so is frowned upon on this forum.
completely disagree, this is a thoughtful question
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Having bought an aftermarket tub, you do not get a title/vin with it. You either have a donor vehicle that the DMV/DOT will transfer the vin plate from once you prove ownership of both or you assemble a new vehicle and get an assembled vehicle title. .
Are you a cop from Detroit? This seems like too much work for or them...
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Legality will vary by state DMV codes, but there is nothing morally "wrong" with selling a title and VIN tag. Yes, it could be mis-used by a person with criminal intent, but one might worry about the same thing when selling a firearm. What if you had bought a new frame and new tub and rebuilt one or both of those Jeeps, would they legal or illegal ?


A guy at work fabricated a street legal Jeep rock buggy and titled it as a 1948 CJ. It has been pictured and written about in Crawl magazine. About the only 1948 part on it, is the grille. Does that make the rest of the Jeep buggy illegal ?

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The proper way to handle those titles is to take them in to the DMV, turn them in and tell them the vehicles were parted out/scrapped. If they were titled in your name, as far as the state is concerned those vehicles still exist and you still own them.

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Ok, I have no legit need for them, and they don't help any one else, I guess I'll just take them to SOS.
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Depending on the state what op is suggestng is illegal. Any modification to the Vin plate is a no no, transferring a plate from 1 vehicle to another is also a no. It has to go through the govt agencies for the transfer. Doing what op suggests is the usual method to plate a stolen vehicle, so it's across the board illegal. But that's going to change depending where you are.

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