Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in God' - Page 4

lawdogg · 06-13-2008, 01:53 PM

Tater - so what then is the outcome? If the only solution to all dieties from religions coexisting is that none exist, where does that leave us?

**Kyoseki** · 06-13-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

Tater - so what then is the outcome? If the only solution to all dieties from religions coexisting is that none exist, where does that leave us?

Still searching for answers.

Stamos · 06-13-2008, 02:20 PM

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Tater - so what then is the outcome? If the only solution to all dieties from religions coexisting is that none exist, where does that leave us?

With science.

SmithersGS · 06-13-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyoseki

Still searching for answers.

Word up. There is no solution to the deities coexisting. The universe can't have been created by a team of deities; they would've then had to split up and show themselves seperately, one to the Hindi-area people, one to the Europeans, one to the Nords, one to the Africans, one to the Caribbeans, etc. This is not possible, especially when most religions claim to be monotheistic. There is either one great supernatural creator, or no deity at all.

Either way, the vast percentage of the population has devoted their spiritual beliefs to something that is completely made up. These people have been playing make-believe their whole lives. The question is, who is wrong?

LaCeS OuT · 06-13-2008, 02:39 PM

"I don't believe in God, I believe in Science."

Dr. Righteous · 06-13-2008, 02:43 PM

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using only scripture, being that its only a single source, is no less 'genuine' in discourse than using scientific observations and results.

so how isn't changing Christ's birth to coincide with the winter solstice and previous pagan rituals not being flippant and silly?

You see, they didn't consult with me on that. I would have chosen July 4th. Then we could of had presents and fireworks!

The point is if you are not a seeker in the sense that you really want to know what this "Jesus thing" is all about, then a Christian sharing the Gospel with you might just be wasting his or her breath. And It is an warning for ME not to twist the gospels to make them more palatable for unbelievers.
Can you discuss spiritual matters with someone that cannot understand or even doesn't believe in such things?
People come to faith usually through 'baby steps'. To wrap your mind around the implications of what the Gospel teaches all at once is too much for most.
Jesus himself said "Let the little children come to me, for such is the Kingdom of God." A simple faith that is simply "There is a God, and I'm not him" is a first step.
If you believe that then The Gospel is can truly be Good News to you.

Amiright · 06-13-2008, 02:48 PM

I claim islam but I dont believe in god I think religion just gives you something

to strive for. Religion was not forced upon me while I was a child I grew up

without it and I'm happier that way. I choose to claim Islam even though im

none practicing becuase I believe in alot of the cultural aspects.

Everyone has a right to their beliefs, mine is that god doesnt exist just

looking at the way the earth was created is enough to sway my vote.

There is no point in trying to change someone from what they believe

PJL · 06-13-2008, 02:51 PM

The first of the Five Pillars of Islam is that you worship Allah. You can't be a Muslim if you don't believe in God.

Dr. Righteous · 06-13-2008, 03:02 PM

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The first of the Five Pillars of Islam is that you worship Allah. You can't be a Muslim if you don't believe in God.

He is right. You must believe in the Moon god.

PJL · 06-13-2008, 03:19 PM

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He is right. You must believe in the Moon god.

The God of Muslims is the God of Abraham. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God.

**War Eagle** · 06-13-2008, 03:20 PM

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The God of Muslims is the God of Abraham.

Lincoln was not a Muslim!!!!!!

**waterboarder** · 06-13-2008, 03:22 PM

I think I'm just going to smile and refrain from comment on this one (:

**jb4** · 06-13-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

The point is if you are not a seeker in the sense that you really want to know what this "Jesus thing" is all about, then a Christian sharing the Gospel with you might just be wasting his or her breath. And It is an warning for ME not to twist the gospels to make them more palatable for unbelievers.

Can you discuss spiritual matters with someone that cannot understand or even doesn't believe in such things?

the people you're dealing with in this thread, specifically, do understand "the Jesus thing" quite well. I'd wager I've had more parochial based education than you have had in your life - I get 'it' from that 'side.' from catholic elementary to high school, and then I chose to go to one of the most respected Jesuit Universities in the world....

it is from education that I have had that I draw my conclusions about religion, and 'god' in general.

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People come to faith usually through 'baby steps'. To wrap your mind around the implications of what the Gospel teaches all at once is too much for most.
Jesus himself said "Let the little children come to me, for such is the Kingdom of God." A simple faith that is simply "There is a God, and I'm not him" is a first step.
If you believe that then The Gospel is can truly be Good News to you.

to play scripture games for a moment - since you cant seem to do anything but

Mark 10:15 and Luke 18:17

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

pretty much knocks out the possibility of any born-again reaching heaven, doesn't it? unless you plan on citing some scripture that happens to 'supersede it', which would in and of itself introduce multiple contradictions and then place the validity of literalists in quite a tricky spot..

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The God of Muslims is the God of Abraham. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God.

unpossible! those moooslums are way too violent for that to be true....

Dr. Righteous · 06-13-2008, 03:24 PM

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The God of Muslims is the God of Abraham. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God.

Absolutely wrong.
The god of Islam "Allah" is NOT the same as the God of the Bible that
Jews and Christians worship.

PJL · 06-13-2008, 03:28 PM

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Absolutely wrong.
The god of Islam "Allah" is NOT the same as the God of the Bible that
Jews and Christians worship.

Actually, it's absolutely right. Maybe you should take a class on world religions or something. In fact, many of the characters from the Bible are featured in Muslim religious tradition. For example, it was the angel Gabriel that delivered the Qur'an to Muhammad according to tradition. They are all the same God.