OP, What? You are throwing all the WJ people under a bus with your "FSJ" Grand. There is no such thing. You have an Overland, Maybe a limited with a 4.7 HO. Seeing how you act in this thread I wouldn't be surprised if you actually have the 4.0...
To all the Wrangler people, the WJ is actually pretty capable off road, and with some upgrades it can hang right with all of you. I wouldn't doubt that some of the WJ's can out trail you. Not trying to start anything. Its just the WJ isn't just a grocery getter...
ALSO. OP, The Ford Raptor is the SICKEST truck I've seen in person, and I HATE Ford! Im sorry, but none of our jeeps can go through a desert at 80 MPH and take jumps at 80 MPH. That truck is stock and its doing all of that. Even a Jeep heavily modded might not be able to do that. You should see the Top Gear where they test the Raptor...
No doubt about the WJ here, I see them quite a bit on the trails here in Crawlerado. Might have seen you once, not sure though.
That said, I have respect for all wheelers and their vehicles, because it's a personal preference and if you build it right, it can be a pretty good 4x4. Some may have better features for certain things, but it's pointless to argue over different 4x4's ... unless you have a small *****.
OP, thank you for proving me right ... so TOGTFO.
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I also have a buddy that thinks his stock 93 chevy z71 with 285 maxxis mudders can outmud/wheel anything like my jeeps. Funny cause everytime Ive seen the truck its on the verge of dying or when he calls me he always tells me his truck is in the shop again and needs advice on whats wrong with it. I would like to tell him one day its a pos. The only thing done to my xj and yj was to mod them and maintainance like fluid changes. I used to wheel my stock xj on 235 walmart A/ts my 1st yr in college and went through stuff a fullsize truck with a bodylift on mudtires will just sink in. I lol when they ask for a pull.
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