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Unread 02-11-2008, 04:06 PM   #31
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Not sure the public will accept $35 dvd's. That is the price of a bluray.
I don't know anyone that spends $35 on a bluray movie. They can be had easily $20-25. New releases are typically $30 tops, except in stores that outrageously up the price. Not to mention Best Buy and Amazon, etc have been running buy 1 get 1 for quite some time now. It's on select movies, but good movies still.

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I don't know anyone that spends $35 on a bluray movie. They can be had easily $20-25. New releases are typically $30 tops, except in stores that outrageously up the price. Not to mention Best Buy and Amazon, etc have been running buy 1 get 1 for quite some time now. It's on select movies, but good movies still.
$25 for a movie?
Hmmmm DVD-R is like $12 for 50... netflix is like $15/mo...
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$25 for a movie?
Hmmmm DVD-R is like $12 for 50... netflix is like $15/mo...
Too bad DVD-R and BluRay are different technologies.
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They developed some type of scratch-resistant coating for it. They tested it, works fine.
Disney will not be pleased to hear of this.

That kind of blows that regular DVD's will be around after HD-DVD's are phased out. Oh well. Clearance sales, woo-hoo. I'll be stockpiling.
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Unread 02-11-2008, 06:55 PM   #35
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Best Buy has long sided with Blu Ray because the profit margin is higher, HD DVD is the cheaper format, both in terms of players and discs. Consequently the de facto HD machine that was hooked up was a blu ray box and the HD DVD boxes were typically either not present, or hooked up with substandard cables to degrade the image.

Blu Ray won because it had:
a: Better marketing &
b: A cooler name.

You can tell how uninformed the average consumer is about these things because they'll swear blind that Blu Ray looks better than HD DVD, when the truth is there's no significant visual difference between the two formats, if anything they could be forgiven for saying that Blu Ray SOUNDS better, since the only manifestation of the lower HD DVD capacity is compression on the audio track, but visually the two formats are identical.

These people are probably the same ones who say they can tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p when watching a 24fps movie.

ie. They're talking out of their ***.
Exactly. Nothing but marketing, and society is eating every word of it.

Anyone who thinks that Blu ray is a better format in general is talking out of their ***.

But, that's what the people ignorantly choose (or let film companies choose) so they will have to pay more for their movies now.
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I shoulda known it. First I bought Beta and then VHS won that format war. Then I bought HD DVD and Blue Ray has essentially won that war too. To make it worse, I just got an email from Netflix today saying they're now officially solely on the Blue Ray bandwagon and they will stop buying new HD DVDs and even stop shipping what they have in HD DVD format after a few more months.
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I shoulda known it. First I bought Beta and then VHS won that format war. Then I bought HD DVD and Blue Ray has essentially won that war too. To make it worse, I just got an email from Netflix today saying they're now officially solely on the Blue Ray bandwagon and they will stop buying new HD DVDs and even stop shipping what they have in HD DVD format after a few more months.
So next time two new technologies are competing against each other could you please tell the rest of us which you chose so we know to get the opposite?
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HDDVD can't get much closer to death...
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...00618&vnsId=33

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The Blu-ray Disc format was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers, with more than 180 member companies from all over the world. The Board of Directors currently consists of:

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
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Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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February 26, 2002...The only way to be a true front-runner in the compound semi blue spectrum laser diodes race is to hit the magic "10,000 hour" lifetime target. Cree, Inc., of Durham, North Carolina USA has done just that, according to today's announcement of the the company's latest results from their GaN on SiC blue laser technology. Cree's 405 nm, 3 mW blue laser diodes do, indeed, now "exhibit a projected lifetime exceeding 10,000 hours at room temperature." Cree began sampling its laser diodes in December 2001 and evaluation is currently underway at major electronics DVD manufacturers. Cree stated that their blue laser diodes will have the necessary specifications needed to meet the recently announced uniform standards for the next-generation DVD optical disc format. (Ref: Compound Semi News Feb. 21 coverage and below). Cree's announcement comes on the opening day of Gorham's Compound Semiconductor Outlook 2002 conference in San Mateo, California USA, where the topic of blue laser development is high on the agenda of conference attendees. According to Chuck Swoboda, Cree's President and CEO in commenting on his company's outstanding blue laser work, "This is one of the most significant achievements in the history of the company. We have accelerated our blue laser diode development and continue to target a product launch by the end of this fiscal year. We believe these diodes will meet the uniform standards being formulated and look forward to participating in the exciting new optical disc applications under development." The new blue laser format will feature up to 27 gigabytes of memory on one side of a single 12-cm disc, nearly six times the capacity of current 4.7 gigabyte discs, and has the capability of storing approximately 40 hours of ordinary television broadcasts and more than two hours of digital high-definition motion pictures. Cree underscored that blue and ultraviolet (UV) lasers, with a shorter wavelength than red lasers, could also benefit optical storage systems such as high-end mass storage optical recording systems, enabling them to read and write more bits of information on a given area of disc space. Discs using the new format are expected to be the same size as compact discs and DVDs. Cree also pointed out that it is technically possible for manufacturers to develop blue laser systems that are compatible with existing red laser products, but that there can be no certainty such products will be developed. Press release. In further blue spectrum news from Cree, the company also unveiled their new "XBright" 505 nm and 525 nm green HB-LEDs, which complement their previously introduced XBright 470 nm blue HB-LEDs line. The XBright 505 nm part exhibits typical brightness of 11 mW while the 525 nm part is rated at 9 mW. Target applications for these devices include full color indoor and outdoor displays, advertising panels, traffic signals, and consumer products. Customer qualification samples and volume production are now available.
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It boils down to PS3 has blu-ray. Blu-Ray will be made for the next tenish years accordingly for game discs. They had nothing to lose by throwing some money at it since they were going to produce the disc anyways.

Personally. I have a Samsung 40" 1080p LCD and can barely tell a difference in High Definition discs and an up-converted DVD, but it most definitly isn't worth the price. I would have never bought PS3 if it didn't up convert and will not be re-buying any movies I own now. Spend the hundred bucks on an upconverter and save your money till the winner has players at $100 or less and you still save a hundred bucks or get a PS3 and spend probably too much.
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Personally. I have a Samsung 40" 1080p LCD and can tell a difference in High Definition discs and an up-converted DVD, but it most definitly isn't worth the price. I would have never bought PS3 if it didn't up convert and will not be re-buying any movies I own now. Spend the hundred bucks on an upconverter and save your money till the winner has players at $100 or less and you still save a hundred bucks or get a PS3 and spend probably too much.
It's not just the video that's vastly improved -- it's the audio as well. Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD are both lossless formats which support over 8 discrete channels. The average consumer probably won't notice, but anyone with a decent surround setup to take advantage of those formats definitely will.

It usually doesn't hurt to future-proof yourself when it comes to technology, but Blu-Ray's high cost and lack of hardware scalability haven't convinced me to begin supporting that format quite yet. If you buy a player right now, it might not be compatible with some of the newer disc revisions coming up and there's no guarantee that its firmware will be upgradable.
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It's not just the video that's vastly improved -- it's the audio as well. Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD are both lossless formats which support over 8 discrete channels. The average consumer probably won't notice, but anyone with a decent surround setup to take advantage of those formats definitely will.

It usually doesn't hurt to future-proof yourself when it comes to technology, but Blu-Ray's high cost and lack of hardware scalability haven't convinced me to begin supporting that format quite yet. If you buy a player right now, it might not be compatible with some of the newer disc revisions coming up and there's no guarantee that its firmware will be upgradable.
Yeah, I do not have a sound set up yet but since it is in my room its not necessary.

The PS3 is one hundred percent upgradeable and is why I advise to go ahead and get one if this what you are looking at. It has all of the necessary plug ins and not only do you get Blu Ray, you get a web browser and can probably use that to view movies over the internet and it works in to your wireless internet and gives access to music, photos, and videos from your network and if you have a psp you can access it any where there is wi-fi for the psp.

All that and you can get one for 3-4 hundred. A little more but definitly worth it. Instead of insert disc, dumb box; you get pretty much a computer for your tv for a relatively small cost once you think about it. If only it could be a dvr too.


Oh yeah and it has slots for sd cards and such so you can look at your photos, don't know if the others have that or not too, but its there.

and to answer the OP question. No, not until they are $35 and the movies are $8, just another component to take up space.
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I love how when the gaming console PS3 is mentioned, that the actual gaming aspects are never mentioned.

I'm waiting for Microsoft to release a Blu-ray addition to the 360. That way I can have Blu-Ray, and actually have a console that functions for gaming as well.
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I love how when the gaming console PS3 is mentioned, that the actual gaming aspects are never mentioned.
You mean like their latest commercial? Just looks like a Blu-Ray player with a weird remote to me. Right now its only saving grace is that it plays BR. A buddy of mine bought one just for that... and folding. Doesn't even own a game for it.

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Hmmm..........I think PS3 should change their name then.

Perhaps to MS3.

"MovieStation3".
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I should be getting a PS3 today or tomorrow, but I am ordering a couple extra games, the vast majority of the media I get will be BRDs though (already have a ton in the Amazon cart ready to go )
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