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Unread 01-26-2010, 11:01 AM   #1
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Harley Night Train, anyone have one?

I am looking into getting a mid 2000s harley night train and i have a few questions if anyone knows much about them.

Do they all have the 96 CI engine?

is 15,000 miles much at all for a harley?

What is a lot of miles for a harley.

is there anything i should be specific to look for in one.

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The 96ci was not introduced until 07 or 08 i think. the same time they brough out that motor they introduced catalytic convertors to the bike. A year after they went to an electronic throttle, which a lot of people have had issues with so far. I think the 6 speed was also introduced with this motor too. You can add a 6 speed to an 88ci if you wish though... I would like to note that even though these motors have a bigger displacement and 6 speed trans, they are performing about the same as the 88ci's did.

As far as miles, i had an 04 Road King Custom with the 88ci EFI motor and 14k. The only issue i had with it was the computer took a crap on me and had to be replaced. But from what i have seen mine was a rare case. Even with 14k on the motor it ran like new with almost no issues (computer makes it "almost").

As far as how many miles are a lot for a harley, or any new bike now days. I'm not sure what the magic number is, but i know of a lot of people that have riden their bikes daily for years upon years and have had no issues even with high mileage.

I would say that for a used bike, you need to make sure that what ever has been done to it, that it was done properly. For example, if an exhaust was put on the computer needs to be adjusted/tuned. Also if you can, find out if he has all the service records, and preferably ran a good synthetic oil.

My current 06 Road King Custom has been a local bike, and i had the benefit of knowing that the local dealership has done all the services and exhaust/tune work on it.

Other than that, these bikes are very good and reliable. Just dont get in a hurry to buy one. I almost picked up one before my current 06 and i am really glad i didn't.
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I know you can customize them as much as jeeps. I am chopping a sportster now.

15k is not a lot for one. My dad has put on 20k in a summer easily. Just check on the price and condition, make sure they didn't **** anything up.
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I cant remember what years the N/T was offered, but heres some basic Twin cam info. Item #1 all Twin cam engines at some point will need the cam chain tensioner shoes replaced or changed to a S&S or other gear drive with bigger cams. Ive seen the guide material peel away at 15K and some at 50K miles. HD reccomends checking or changing at 40K or so. The result of not is metal fragments circulating in the bottom end, crank and bearings,cams and bgs,cam plate,oil pump may be damaged and gets real expensive. A gear drive swap is around $1200+ installed,stock replacement install is around $650 dealer done. Most guys say after 03 the cranks are junk and many issues with them twisting have been documented,also some Dyna modles suffered a inner primary bearing failure since HD decided to eliminate the alignment pins,FI is also on newer bikes except baggers which had W/M FI since 98 or so.Personally I dont care for FI but thats just me as its harder and more $$$ to tune and mess with.
Either a EVO or TC engine will last 100K + easy if ridden/maintained with any respect. Older EVO motors are great also,but its common to have base,and rocker box gasket leaks buy now most have been upgraded to new style gaskets.most I say as I still have a 93 Springer with 13K on it and all original. HD`s are what they are kinda like a Jeep, an aquired taste.
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I had an 07 Nightrain. Nice bike but it was kind of an imbetween bike. Its still a fairly low end softtail so long rides were not always fun. I am 6'3" so I put the ness forward control extenders on it and it was better. For the money, I would try to find a road king. Less sporty, but you could ride it all day and be comfortable.

If you are stuck on the nighttrain, maybe look at some other custom bikes as they can ride just as well and hold thier value better.
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I believe 07 up have the 200MM rear tire. Which makes it look much better IMO. Also in 07, the 96" engine got the "B" designation, for balanced.

I have and 07 and its a good bike. Its no long hauler or anything, but fun.

BTW its for sale...
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I've been riding and wrenching on HD's years. I know a bit about them.....

The Twin Cam came out in '99 in Dyna's and Touring bikes. Softails in '00. Up to '06, they were 88". '07 and up got the 96". There are better years than others....'99-02 have the best bottom ends. They have forged cranks unlike the later bike's cast cranks. '02 and up models have an improved fuel injection. The list goes on and on.....Yep, cam chain tensioners are a wear item in them. They last anywhere from 20k miles to well over 100k. It's a crapshoot. The last 3 years or so have a newer hydaulic tensioner compared to the older spring loaded ones. The newer ones reportedly last a lot longer.

I bought a 2000 Road King Classic new. Currently, I have 77k miles on it. I have had no trouble out of it other than a small fix or two. I swapped out my cam chain tensioner set up for an S&S gear drive at 52k miles. My tensioners were still in pretty good shape. The bike still runs as good as new, or actually a little better with the Andrews cams that are in it and fuel injection tuner I have on it.
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I believe 07 up have the 200MM rear tire. Which makes it look much better IMO. Also in 07, the 96" engine got the "B" designation, for balanced.

I have and 07 and its a good bike. Its no long hauler or anything, but fun.

BTW its for sale...
How much?

I really like the fatter tire and the newer ones but my budget is about 10K
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How much?

I really like the fatter tire and the newer ones but my budget is about 10K
I paid 16.500 for mine new in 07, then lowered the rear end put the plate on the swingarm had vance and hines big shot radius pipes installed and dyno'd. Awsome bike!!
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How much?

I really like the fatter tire and the newer ones but my budget is about 10K
harleys hold their value like crazy... will be hard to get a low mile night train for 10k
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harleys hold their value like crazy... will be hard to get a low mile night train for 10k
x2 I have seen older model Trains 00-02 for about 10,000-12,000 but nothing after 06 (new design) good luck though OP im sure their out there.
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Eh, the bottom has fallen out of the used HD market. The market it is flooded and the economy sucks. You might see people asking big bucks, but very few are getting it. There are lots of low mile Big Twins out there that can be had for under 10k bucks.
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One thing I would recommend is try to decide what type of riding you want to do. Bar hoping, short rides and occasional trips are great even with a passenger. But Iron Butt riding (long distance) you will want a bagger! If you have a locaol shop that rents bikes, it would be worth the money to try before you buy!
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Its a buyers market,cash in hand will do wonders but I will say area has a lot to do with the price. Here in my neck of the woods,prices are pretty decent,head east 2 hours and its laughable what folks are asking. If people are actually selling at the prices I see I could make a comfy living buying here and selling there doubling my investment,also seems dealers are holding out price wise,if not their outta buisness with big overhead. Also IMO ebay prices are a joke.
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i keep hearing that the night train is not that great for long rides, which i do plan on making. I have riden a harley 105 anniversary dyna 250 miles in a day before, i was a little sore but probably just because that was the first time in over a year i had ridden.

Are other soft tails more comfortable? im 23 so i could handle a little discomfort from the night train. what would anyone out there reccomend? I dont want a road king or anything like that, i want a stripped down bike, no storage or anything.
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