****ed up my Jeep after the mechanic left it in gear. - Page 5

**PhilipJ** · 01-02-2009, 08:39 PM

Go buy a YJ and try parking it on even a slight hill with just the parking brake. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I don't think I even know a single person that parks any vehicle in neutral.

Nonya · 01-02-2009, 08:41 PM

Parking brake would NOT have done a thing,that starter develops alot more torque that parking brake can hold.

**j_bydesign** · 01-02-2009, 08:41 PM

all manual transmisions should be parked IN GEAR... not sure what planet you learned to drive on but the handle sicking out of you center consol is an emergency brake... NOT a parking brake... parking brakes are on automatics...it sucks your jeep was hurt by your own neglect... but !@#$% happens... even to good people! The only failure that could start a vehicle moving forward would be a shorted selinoid on the starter... not common... i would go as far as saying almost unherad of... as for the dodge burning up... one less pickup truck to get stuck on the trails in front of us! LOL!

Nonya · 01-02-2009, 08:42 PM

Wrong!!!!!!

**turtlerace** · 01-02-2009, 08:44 PM

Sorry Nonya, manual transmission vehicles are to be parked with the emergency brake engaged and the transmission in either 1st or reverse.

**Rob99** · 01-02-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonya

you be the judge.......didn't parking this jeep in gear cause major damage and possibly could have caused major injury????? WELL????? You don't need a remote starter to engauge the starter,faulty wiring,bad starter etc is all it takes and you have a mess. The NEW dodge pickup i responded to burned a BUSINESS down because it was parked in gear,starter malfuctioned,overheated,caught fire after moving the truck into the building. HUGE fire resulted.

This was caused by someone bypassing the factory setup and installing a remote starter on a manual transmission. There's a reason why you can't find a shop to install them on a manual transmission. Because it's dangerous and they don't want the liability.

What's more likely to happen, a starter spontaneously engaging or a parking brake failing causing a car to roll? Not everyone parks along side a curb to be able to point your wheels.

Luckyduck · 01-02-2009, 08:45 PM

Some vehicles have locks on them so that you can not shift out of first when the vehicle is parked. it makes it harder for people to steal it because you can not easily roll it. but apparently the people that designed that where morons

Nonya · 01-02-2009, 08:45 PM

"Parking a manual transmission car in gear is an old chestnut that originates from bygone times when cars were much heavier and parking brakes were marginal to say the least.

Parking the car in gear relies on the expectation that the gases compressed in the cylinders will stop the engine from rotating, but in fact only 1 cylinder will be on the compression stroke at any one time, added to this piston rings aren't a mechanical seal, they will always leak over any period of time, this can be measured by a leak down test."

Simply put, your starter motor has to overcome the engine compression to start the car, there's no reason why a ton of car parked on a hill won't overcome the same compression. If the compression was that high, you would never be able to push start a manual tranny car. "

So no, a single engine cylinder under compression shouldn't be relied upon to hold the car on an incline. Use the parking brake, that's what it's for. If the car won't hold with the parking brake on and a gear engaged, it's more indicative of parking brake rather than engine problems.

**Rob99** · 01-02-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip J Fry

Go buy a YJ and try parking it on even a slight hill with just the parking brake. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I don't think I even know a single person that parks any vehicle in neutral.

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Originally Posted by j_bydesign

all manual transmisions should be parked IN GEAR... not sure what planet you learned to drive on but the handle sicking out of you center consol is an emergency brake... NOT a parking brake... parking brakes are on automatics...it sucks your jeep was hurt by your own neglect... but !@#$% happens... even to good people! The only failure that could start a vehicle moving forward would be a shorted selinoid on the starter... not common... i would go as far as saying almost unherad of... as for the dodge burning up... one less pickup truck to get stuck on the trails in front of us! LOL!

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Originally Posted by turtlerace

Sorry Nonya, manual transmission vehicles are to be parked with the emergency brake engaged and the transmission in either 1st or reverse.

Guess it wasn't as common knowledge as he thought.

**PhilipJ** · 01-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Taken directly from my state's driver manual:

• Always set your parking brake when you park. Leave
the vehicle in gear if it has a manual transmission or in
“park” if it has an automatic transmission.

brent64505 · 01-02-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Prot

I know what you really mean is remote start, but what you said here is funny. It makes it sound like vehicles with manual transmissions have a hand crank on the front end to start the engine like a Ford Model A and you don't recommend replacing the hand crank with an electric starter.

brent64505 · 01-02-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip J Fry

Go buy a YJ and try parking it on even a slight hill with just the parking brake. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I don't think I even know a single person that parks any vehicle in neutral.

when I was driving and over the road truck you park them in neutral and set the air brakes

**turtlerace** · 01-02-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brent64505

when I was driving and over the road truck you park them in neutral and set the air brakes

Air brakes are a whole different animal.
I work for an LTL company and if I park my truck without the air brakes set and the transmission in gear I am FIRED!

shawn1980 · 01-02-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonya

you be the judge.......didn't parking this jeep in gear cause major damage and possibly could have caused major injury????? WELL????? You don't need a remote starter to engauge the starter,faulty wiring,bad starter etc is all it takes and you have a mess. The NEW dodge pickup i responded to burned a BUSINESS down because it was parked in gear,starter malfuctioned,overheated,caught fire after moving the truck into the building. HUGE fire resulted.

no parking the jeep in gear and not having a safety switch installed caused the mayhem. maybe he should put a sticker on the visor park in neutral with wheels turned to the curb and e brake on thank you have a nice day.

shawn1980 · 01-02-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brent64505

when I was driving and over the road truck you park them in neutral and set the air brakes

when did jeep's get air brake's