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post #31 of 92 Old 03-30-2008, 12:53 AM
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Wow epic fail. How can you counsel on something you know nothing about?

And the only thing weed leads to is doritos. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete moron. A weak moron at that.

I completely disagree!!! It's not that weed is a gateway drug, it's the fact that it surrounds you with people that have access to other "harder" drugs. I have done my fair share, i'm not afraid to admit it. I know what happens when you surround yourself with partiers(drug users) of any kind.

How can anyone expect to hire a drug councilor that comes into an interview and says.

"I'm very familiar with all types of drugs and I know how to use them"

P.S. In Oregon you have to say "water pipe" or they won't sell you one. Years ago we used to have a thing for making our own. We had one similar but with longer tubes so we didn't have to get up for anything.

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I completely disagree!!! It's not that weed is a gateway drug, it's the fact that it surrounds you with people that have access to other "harder" drugs. I have done my fair share, i'm not afraid to admit it. I know what happens when you surround yourself with partiers(drug users) of any kind.

How can anyone expect to hire a drug councilor that comes into an interview and says.

"I'm very familiar with all types of drugs and I know how to use them"

P.S. In Oregon you have to say "water pipe" or they won't sell you one. Years ago we used to have a thing for making our own. We had one similar but with longer tubes so we didn't have to get up for anything.
I'd say that's what makes it a gateway drug...

And no that is definitely not a Hookah, hookah's are used for smoking tobacco drenched in flavored molasses.

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I completely disagree!!! It's not that weed is a gateway drug, it's the fact that it surrounds you with people that have access to other "harder" drugs. I have done my fair share, i'm not afraid to admit it. I know what happens when you surround yourself with partiers(drug users) of any kind.

How can anyone expect to hire a drug councilor that comes into an interview and says.

"I'm very familiar with all types of drugs and I know how to use them"

P.S. In Oregon you have to say "water pipe" or they won't sell you one. Years ago we used to have a thing for making our own. We had one similar but with longer tubes so we didn't have to get up for anything.
I've never had to call a bong a water pipe in bong shops.

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I completely disagree!!! It's not that weed is a gateway drug, it's the fact that it surrounds you with people that have access to other "harder" drugs. I have done my fair share, i'm not afraid to admit it. I know what happens when you surround yourself with partiers(drug users) of any kind..
I agree with yer' DISagreement. It aint some lollipop. Tooooooo many people I've known that started with weed soon took it to other places: it is a gateway drug; not all pass THROUGH the gateway onto other things...but once lil' Johnny realizes he did NOT die from weed as sooooooo many have said~ he oft wonders what other things might be the same. I worked in the medical field/realm and was around druggies all day, every day. Ask every crack head, meth user, heroin junkie and they ALL say they've smoked pot, but ask pot smokers if they've tried other things and you run the gamut of "never" to 'yeah' *but only*__________

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If they're good for the catapillar in Alice in Wonderland, it's good for me. Too bad I can't blow the smoke out in the shape of words though.
ummmmmmmm, ya' do know the author was high as a kite on Opium right? That's what he was smoking when he *dreamt* the tale..........

As for the OP....heck, just watch one month worth of Cop's on tv and you'll be well versed & up on dang near every morbid curiousity known to humankind but especially drug paraphillnalia...............

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I work as a drug and alcohol rehab nurse, and it amazes me how many of the AOD counselors are ex addicts. I was disposing of expired medications one day and made a joke about having a drug party to one of the counselor's and was promptly told by a co-worker he was an ex-adict and it probably wasn't a good idea to joke like that. OOPS!
Your co-worker needs to lighten up a bit. I work as a lic alcohol and drug counselor (where most of us are addicts of some sort), and we joke about stuff like that all the time. Keeps the mood light...
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MarkoPo, I imagine in rehab you get a lot more people that actually are dependent on drugs and alcohol than I do. Most people I see just happen to have gotten a DUI or marijuana possession charge, not necessarily addicted. We help them deal with stress or mental health issues.

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I'd say that's what makes it a gateway drug...

And no that is definitely not a Hookah, hookah's are used for smoking tobacco drenched in flavored molasses.
Traditionally, that tobacco was laced with hashish and/or opium.

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I agree with yer' DISagreement. It aint some lollipop. Tooooooo many people I've known that started with weed soon took it to other places: it is a gateway drug; not all pass THROUGH the gateway onto other things...but once lil' Johnny realizes he did NOT die from weed as sooooooo many have said~ he oft wonders what other things might be the same. I worked in the medical field/realm and was around druggies all day, every day. Ask every crack head, meth user, heroin junkie and they ALL say they've smoked pot, but ask pot smokers if they've tried other things and you run the gamut of "never" to 'yeah' *but only*__________



ummmmmmmm, ya' do know the author was high as a kite on Opium right? That's what he was smoking when he *dreamt* the tale..........As for the OP....heck, just watch one month worth of Cop's on tv and you'll be well versed & up on dang near every morbid curiousity known to humankind but especially drug paraphillnalia...............

OMG Get the **** out are you serious? Ahem, fact not proven. I'm a huge Charles Dodgson fan, I've done research and although the painkillers then did contain a low trace of opium, there has been no positive proof that he was abusing them. They were the tylenol of the time period.


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Alcohol is THE gateway drug, but it's legal. So more NASCAR please.
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Traditionally, that tobacco was laced with hashish and/or opium.
Actually traditionally the shisha was left as it was, but was rather left as tobacco laced with fruits and other sweets to flavor it. It was traditionally used in many countries as a type of "dessert" after a meal. Since its creation, albeit, many have used it to smoke other types of drugs however since day one hookahs have been primarily used for pure tobacco purposes. It is that common idea that hookahs are primarily used or have been primarily used for other types of drugs that makes them to be seen as bad or as drug paraphernalia. As such, people take the rash actions, just as my college has done, to ban them from use on campus or wherever they are. It's because of the widespread ignorance to them that I have to go out of my way to use my own hookah that has never had and drug substance other than tobacco pass through it.

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its only a gateway drug if you have an addictive personality and/or you dont care about your life. countless upstanding citizens occasionally burn down without turning to harder drugs like meth that ruin your life, most likely they are educated and have self control.

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its only a gateway drug if you have an addictive personality and/or you dont care about your life. countless upstanding citizens occasionally burn down without turning to harder drugs like meth that ruin your life, most likely they are educated and have self control.
So, the drug that you do is okay, but the drugs that others may choose to do are bad?

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Actually traditionally the shisha was left as it was, but was rather left as tobacco laced with fruits and other sweets to flavor it. It was traditionally used in many countries as a type of "dessert" after a meal. Since its creation, albeit, many have used it to smoke other types of drugs however since day one hookahs have been primarily used for pure tobacco purposes. It is that common idea that hookahs are primarily used or have been primarily used for other types of drugs that makes them to be seen as bad or as drug paraphernalia. As such, people take the rash actions, just as my college has done, to ban them from use on campus or wherever they are. It's because of the widespread ignorance to them that I have to go out of my way to use my own hookah that has never had and drug substance other than tobacco pass through it.
my buddy up at NDSU is going through a similar situation. he has a hookah and because he lives in fargo there isnt **** to do so he likes to smoke hookah with his friends and frat brothers. they dont smoke weed (atleast not in the hookah) or put anything illegal through it, however he is not allowed to have it. he has gone as far as contacting the local head of the police department to discuss it with him. he was told even if he took it to the station and get it tested and approved that it was clean it wouldnt matter because technically it is still considered paraphernalia and it would be considered illegal if he were using it, regardless of what they were smoking.

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Alcohol is THE gateway drug, but it's legal. So more NASCAR please.
BBC did a show about the dangers of different drugs, alcohol was rated far worse then weed, ecstacy and even what would be considered "hard drugs", just becuase it's legal doesn't make it safe, health wise weed is far safer then drinking or smoking weed.

*I don't use weed and am not saying it's safe but that people need to keep it in perspective

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most dangerous at top, tobacco and alcohol are in the list
  1. Heroin A
  2. Cocaine A
  3. Barbiturates (Sedatives) B
  4. Methadone (Opioid) A
  5. Alcohol Legal
  6. Ketamine C
  7. Benzodiazepines (Sedatives) C
  8. Amphetamine (Speed) B
  9. Tobacco legal
  10. Buprenorphine (Opioid) C
  11. Cannabis C
  12. Solvents Legal
  13. 4-methylthioamphetamine (amphetamine derivative) A
  14. LSD A
  15. Methylphenidate(Ritalin) B
  16. Anabolic steroids C
  17. Gamma 4-hydroxybutyric acid (depressant, “date-rape drug”) C
  18. Ecstasy A
  19. Amyl Nitrate (nitrite inhalants, “poppers”) Legal
  20. Khat (plant-derived stimulant) Legal (illegal in USA)
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my buddy up at NDSU is going through a similar situation. he has a hookah and because he lives in fargo there isnt **** to do so he likes to smoke hookah with his friends and frat brothers. they dont smoke weed (atleast not in the hookah) or put anything illegal through it, however he is not allowed to have it. he has gone as far as contacting the local head of the police department to discuss it with him. he was told even if he took it to the station and get it tested and approved that it was clean it wouldnt matter because technically it is still considered paraphernalia and it would be considered illegal if he were using it, regardless of what they were smoking.
Yep that's the same policy they have here. It pisses me off especially because the stuff we run through mine isn't half as bad as the **** people inhale through the cigarettes. Oh well, we've learned to cope with it by smoking it indoors and all but it's really upsetting on those 70* nights when you just wanna plop down in the grass and start up a hookah circle.

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