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Unread 09-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #1
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Craftsman tools

I posted last night about getting a set of good-durable taps and dies. Some recommended CRAFTSMAN since they are made in the USA? jaja, surprise, surprise, I went to SEARS today and,,,,they are made in CHINA!!!!! I guess we have no choice but to go down the pipe. Please forgive me, I'm still living in a world of quality, I haven't realized,,,,any way, thanks for the advise.

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Unread 09-06-2013, 06:17 PM   #2
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You do understand that quality is dictated by the company right? So long as the company is willing to do the QC and make sure their factory follows their instructions, it's just fine.
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Unread 09-06-2013, 06:26 PM   #3
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Actually have two China sets, metric and standard, purchased from the cheap tool store, with a little lube have never broke them. I am not machining though, just polishing up damaged threads and such. I have made a few grade 5 and 8 bolts longer without a problem.
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My Craftsman tools aren't bad. Using a cheater bar I've broken ratchets and sockets, but being able to drive 10 minutes to Sears for a free replacement it's hard to buy anything else. If there was a Snap-On around here I'd go that route.
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I have some Mac tools, but I have had very good luck with SK tools...Unfortunatly they went under....so no more warranty...I have found though, that when I started using quality tools, The number of times I racked my knuckles, or cut my hands has been greatly reduced....Well woth spending a few more dollars for good tools...
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Craftsman is still okeh - but the QC isn't quite up to scratch (you're right about the Chinese being able to do good work. IFF you're breathing down their necks...)

A good example? Norinco firearms. Up through 1975, when the Russians were still running the plant, they were quite good. After that, when the Russians let the Chinese take over?

Let's just say that if you pick up a Norinco-made anything made 1976 or later, you're safer dropping the mag, clearing the chamber, and using the damned thing for a club. Ever see a bolt blow back and get embedded in someone's face? Yech.
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Unread 09-06-2013, 08:08 PM   #7
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Yeap, I guess I'll go Craftsman
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Craftsman is still okeh - but the QC isn't quite up to scratch (you're right about the Chinese being able to do good work. IFF you're breathing down their necks...)

A good example? Norinco firearms. Up through 1975, when the Russians were still running the plant, they were quite good. After that, when the Russians let the Chinese take over?

Let's just say that if you pick up a Norinco-made anything made 1976 or later, you're safer dropping the mag, clearing the chamber, and using the damned thing for a club. Ever see a bolt blow back and get embedded in someone's face? Yech.
Yeah Norincos have stamped metal parts, milled steel is the way to go!

For good old Craftsman tools, check the flea markets. You'll save loads of cash and they'll still have a warranty AND be USA made.
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Yeah Norincos have stamped metal parts, milled steel is the way to go!

For good old Craftsman tools, check the flea markets. You'll save loads of cash and they'll still have a warranty AND be USA made.
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I have a crapload of old tools that are in perfect shape
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Yeah Norincos have stamped metal parts, milled steel is the way to go!

For good old Craftsman tools, check the flea markets. You'll save loads of cash and they'll still have a warranty AND be USA made.
Nothing wrong with stamped steel - that's how AKs are made!

But, if you use crap steel, you may as well used pressed paper, or sheet acrylic...
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I found an old SK 7/16 breaker bar on the road one day...I thought it was a 3/8, and had a hell of a time trying to figure out why none of my sockets would fit it... lol Still had the part number stamped into the handle...Did a net search and it was made bake in the 1920's...ish....Don't know if its worth anything, but its a great conversation piece, and I can mess with my buddy's too...
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For occasional use, new craftsman stuff is fine. But if you're wrenching all the time, better to invest in a better set of tools.
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Nothing wrong with stamped steel - that's how AKs are made!

But, if you use crap steel, you may as well used pressed paper, or sheet acrylic...
Cheap Chinese and Romanian AKs are made with stamped steel parts. The good old Russian ones are milled steel.
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Cheap Chinese and Romanian AKs are made with stamped steel parts. The good old Russian ones are milled steel.
Guess again - stamped & bent... The bending jigs you can get online are usually copies of Russian patterns.

Misha Kalashnikov spec'd stamped/bent steel receivers because it was cheap, it was easy, and it vastly reduced the number of operations (and therefore opportunity for error.) A couple of stampings would shape it and punch the holes, a trip to the press would fold it to shape - and assemble.

The Soviet Union never did have much for mass machine work...
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For occasional use, new craftsman stuff is fine. But if you're wrenching all the time, better to invest in a better set of tools.
Agreed... If you are serious about turning a wrench... Invest in a quality set of tools... Matco, Snap-on... Fewer busted knuckles!
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