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Unread 12-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #16
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I hope they close down...... dang ridiculous prices. Who the heck spends that on coffee????? I work with lots of lower ranking, lower paid, military who get starbucks everyday. Dumbazzes is all I can say.

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Unread 12-12-2012, 11:29 AM   #17
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their fresh beans are awesome. like $10 a pound. I can handle that
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Unread 12-12-2012, 11:39 AM   #18
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Pick your real answer:
1) You can't afford Starbucks because you own a Jeep.
2) You can't afford Starbucks because it isn't what you choose to spend your money on.
It's kinda both of those I guess.. but if I had a Starbucks habit I'd have to say things like "Sorry we couldn't go anywhere on our vacation, I spent $1300 on coffee this year. " or "I can't fix that drippy faucet, it would cost 5 days worth of coffee to buy a new one" ...

Starbucks is actually a customer of the business I'm in, so every paycheck I receive, some small % of it came from sales to Starbucks. And when I'm on business trips, time is money so I'll grab a breakfast cup of coffee there at the airport or on the way to a site, most of the time I don't come anywhere close to my per diem caps anyway so a large cup at 3 bucks or so isn't going to kill me. But 3 or more dollars a day, multiple days per week - that'd make a serious dent in my discretionary income. No thanks.

And yeah - the fn Jeep has been pretty expensive during my first year of owning it. I'm hoping that the expensive "best available" replacements/repairs I've been dumping into it will mean the next few years are cheap.
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Unread 12-12-2012, 02:30 PM   #19
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their fresh beans are awesome. like $10 a pound. I can handle that
That's not a terrible price, I pay $9 for a pound of locally grown stuff. Chocolate whiskey coffee $tarbucks isn't terrible, and I don't mind paying a couple bucks if I'm in a hurry.

As far as them buying out hostess, I could care less as long as a twinkie doesn't cost $5.
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Unread 12-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #20
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Uhhhh no. Coffee should be a buck, not a penny more.
A dollar and change, anywhere I go is common. Coffee that is $.99, is bad.
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Unread 12-12-2012, 03:04 PM   #21
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Oh okay. That answers my question...
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Unread 12-12-2012, 04:28 PM   #22
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Twinkies > Starbucks.

If Starbucks folds up, who cares? The only downside I can readily think of would be that the Yuppies would wander around aimlessly until they can find someplace else to congregate...
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Unread 12-12-2012, 05:34 PM   #23
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That's not a terrible price, I pay $9 for a pound of locally grown stuff. Chocolate whiskey coffee $tarbucks isn't terrible, and I don't mind paying a couple bucks if I'm in a hurry.

As far as them buying out hostess, I could care less as long as a twinkie doesn't cost $5.
Someone is pulling your leg... They don't grow coffee in Ohio.

Fun fact, only one state can grow coffee- Hawaii.
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Unread 12-12-2012, 05:43 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=funkduck;14595358]I work in a "professional" career and according to the IRS I'm somewhere in the upper half of US income and I can't afford Starbucks. It's worth noting that it doesn't take much of a salary to be in the "upper half", because the wealth distribution in the US is a joke.

If I can't afford Starbucks, and I make more than Starbucks employees it stands to reason neither can their own employees.

Maybe if businesses paid their employees as much as their shareholders they'd have more customers who could afford what they sell...[/QUOTE]

Maybe the employees need to unionize.
Just how much should a person get paid to make you a cup of coffe and serve it?
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Unread 12-12-2012, 06:08 PM   #25
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Maybe the employees need to unionize.
Just how much should a person get paid to make you a cup of coffe and serve it?
Just how much should a person get paid to shuffle numbers around the bonds market without actually contributing any real benefit to the world?

This sh%$ could get political really quick, and my own position is that extremes don't work, no matter what "ism" you call your extreme.

There is great power and great instability in all forms of inequality. Unequal electrical potentials can run a motor or burn out a motor or strike you dead, unequal distances from the Earth's core can make water flow to generate electricity and can make anything you build fall over. Societies too benefit from a little inequality - but too much is dangerous. We're playing with a lot of inequality right now.

I think the idea of a worldwide chain of restaurants whose primary business model is coffee-flavored sugar and cream heartstoppers for $4+ is a joke, and has no business existing in the first place. But what should their baristas get paid? What should the CEO get paid? Because Starbucks' CEO got paid roughly $70,000,000 last year, five thousand times what an average Starbucks barista got paid. Did he work five thousand times harder? Is he five thousand times more valuable to the company? Really?

Inequality is a bomb.
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Just how much should a person get paid to shuffle numbers around the bonds market without actually contributing any real benefit to the world?

This sh%$ could get political really quick, and my own position is that extremes don't work, no matter what "ism" you call your extreme.

There is great power and great instability in all forms of inequality. Unequal electrical potentials can run a motor or burn out a motor or strike you dead, unequal distances from the Earth's core can make water flow to generate electricity and can make anything you build fall over. Societies too benefit from a little inequality - but too much is dangerous. We're playing with a lot of inequality right now.

I think the idea of a worldwide chain of restaurants whose primary business model is coffee-flavored sugar and cream heartstoppers for $4+ is a joke, and has no business existing in the first place. But what should their baristas get paid? What should the CEO get paid? Because Starbucks' CEO got paid roughly $70,000,000 last year, five thousand times what an average Starbucks barista got paid. Did he work five thousand times harder? Is he five thousand times more valuable to the company? Really?

Inequality is a bomb.
What business is it how much a private company pays it's shareholders or CEO of you or anyone else? Those shareholders made an investmant in the company and could have lost all they had, the employee has nothing invested except the time they spend there. There are people that gladly buy coffee from Starbucks, I'm not one of them. If they charge too much they will not have the customers they should have to keep the doors open, that's where the free market comes into play. To suggest what a company pays or how it operates isn't any business of the government either.

You stated you make pretty good money but can't afford their coffee. With that in mind and what you suggest starbucks employees need to make a higher wage than you. Now maybe you have invested time and effort into your profession and maybe that would upset you to know that someone that was unskilled made more money than you so the next thing you know big government needs to dictate to your employeer that you need a higher wage. It will never end going down that road. The ways things used to work if you wanted a higher wage you sought a job that paid more, but then maybe my thinking is just out of the stone age. But it has worked for me.
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Unread 12-12-2012, 09:17 PM   #28
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I love how everybody here assumes that their tastes are the only acceptable ones in the universe.

Starbucks is hilariously profitable, and it's only the largest chain of a massive industry. Someone's gotta be buying it. Also, we will gladly spend thousands of dollars essentially to make our vehicles less comfortable and useful except for a very, very small percentage of their useful lives. Who's the idiot now?
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Unread 12-12-2012, 09:19 PM   #29
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What business is it how much a private company pays it's shareholders or CEO of you or anyone else? Those shareholders made an investmant in the company and could have lost all they had, the employee has nothing invested except the time they spend there. There are people that gladly buy coffee from Starbucks, I'm not one of them. If they charge too much they will not have the customers they should have to keep the doors open, that's where the free market comes into play. To suggest what a company pays or how it operates isn't any business of the government either.

You stated you make pretty good money but can't afford their coffee. With that in mind and what you suggest starbucks employees need to make a higher wage than you. Now maybe you have invested time and effort into your profession and maybe that would upset you to know that someone that was unskilled made more money than you so the next thing you know big government needs to dictate to your employeer that you need a higher wage. It will never end going down that road. The ways things used to work if you wanted a higher wage you sought a job that paid more, but then maybe my thinking is just out of the stone age. But it has worked for me.
It's 100% my business when employees end up with a not-quite-full-time job that demands schedule flexibility so they can't work a second job, so they stay below the poverty level and have to rely on EBT and other publicly funded assistance that you and I pay for.

It's my business when some theif earns money in the US, on publicly funded infrastructure with publicly educated employees and then uses every dirty trick they can think of to avoid paying the same kind of taxes on that income that I pay. You think "legal" (manipulation of well-intentioned programs) welfare fraud costs you money? How is "legal" tax evasion (manipulation of well-intentioned programs) , money sheltering (manipulation of well-intentioned programs) and offshore banking (outright evasion of taxes) any different?

It's also my business when the stock market is, itself, a bubble economy no different from that which the housing market experienced not long ago and when it necessarily pops they're going to turn to a publicly funded government to save their sorry butts. If you don't think it's a bubble, consider that starbucks stock is about $53 and the dividends are about $0.17/qtr, meaning it would take approximately 77 years to make your $53 back on your investment using dividends. That's a bubble in exactly the same way my house was a bubble when the most recent previous owner bought it for $311,000 in 2007 and I scooped it up for $63k when they defaulted. The house was never worth $311k and SBUX was never worth $53.

The fallacy that anyone wanting more should simply find a better paying job is, like all extremes, unworkable. Picture this, every last American lives the American Dream(tm) and quits their low paying job and starts their own enterprise! High Five! Let's all congratulate ourselves by going to lunch at the sandwich shop! Oh, wait.. no employees. Fudge. We could get the CEO to make us a sandwich, but he makes $70,000,000 per year like the Starbucks CEO, so that sandwich is going to be $9,000. That looks pretty unsustainable right? So is an army of employees paid so little they have to take EBT.

As for my own salary? You might be shocked at how little it takes to be in the top 50% of American income. Here's a hint: I live in the sort of neighborhood where a house costs $63k and I drive a 10 year old Jeep. I don't even have much debt (nor are my interest rates very high). But don't worry about me, consider that this is about all I can afford and half of everyone else employed in America can't even afford this much luxury.

So here we find ourselves on the precipice of politics again. Extremes are unworkable and inequality continues to be a bomb. You bet your taint it's my business all day long.
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Also, we will gladly spend thousands of dollars essentially to make our vehicles less comfortable and useful except for a very, very small percentage of their useful lives.
After some deliberate experimentation with a certain Bronco 2 many years ago, I made the decision that I would never reduce the original usefulness of a vehicle again. It's been a pretty good decision so far
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