The Confederate Flag

[Heebsdizzle]

Hey all, I have a question to ask this forum, What are your feelings on the confederate flag?

I for one dont mind it, It's my understanding that many black soldiers fought for the Confederacy (neither side really cared much for black freedom). It's also an important historical piece. As a black man, i tend to find that the flag may have spawned some harsh feedback due to its use with the KKK.

Bottom line, what do you think of the flag, and what does it mean to you?

[JeepFreak91]

Somebody put up a confederate flag on our flag pole at my school and the principal came across the intercom saying something like we are sorry this happend and it will be taken down immediatley.

[Tinker]

It should be flying over the nations capitol right now. Montgomery Alabama were it was at the very beginning.

[catdieselpowa]

I don't have a problem with it at all, everyone I have met who flies/wears one does so out of Southern Pride or love of the South. As a Northern hillbilly, I have flown it on my Jeep, from the roll bar, with the stars and stripes flying right next to it.

The same people who say the stars and bars is a hate symbol say that we need to pay reparations to the black community because of American slavery. Look, it wasn't my idea. Nonetheless, people do exist who fly the Confederate flag as a hate symbol, and those people are despicable.

[Ubie]

Originally Posted by catdieselpowa

The same people who say the stars and bars is a hate symbol say that we need to pay reparations to the black community because of American slavery.

Hey now, i say it's a hate symbol and i also believe reparations are about the stupidest social construct idea i've ever heard

Honestly it's a thing. People put what they want into it, and get what they want out of it. In the end it's just a piece of cloth and some dye. However i fully admit to making immediate stereotypes when i see one one somebody's rig/house/skin/whatever. I try to get over it, but first impressions are hard to shake. Oddly i saw way more of the thing in upstate new york/northern pa than i ever did living in louisianna or tennessee.

[Red_Ak_Ranger]

I think if it has no meaning it is okay.

But there are people who ***** about it being up in ANY situation, they can screw off.

And there are people who put it up JUST to start a fight, they can screw off too.

[CJsPerson]

I feel it’s just as important as all our former and current federal and state flags. I think it’s a real bummer that it is so associated with racism and dumb rednecks. Yes the states that flew the flag had slaves and many a race based hate group formed in the south and it’s hard to find time for education when you’re busy farming to feed and clothe a nation but to me it stands more for the rights of individual states that the Confederacy fought for.

[War Eagle]

I think it's a beautiful flag. Unfortunately it's a racist symbol and has a lot of bad history behind it. Some people fly it because they love their southern heritage. Most people fly it because they hate black people. I don't really know what you mean by "neither side really cared much for black freedom."

[grovesj2]

Originally Posted by War Eagle

I think it's a beautiful flag. Unfortunately it's a racist symbol and has a lot of bad history behind it. Some people fly it because they love their southern heritage. Most people fly it because they hate black people. I don't really know what you mean by "neither side really cared much for black freedom."

Yea...its definitely a racist symbol...especially from the perspective of black people (which Im starting to think dont exist on Jeepforum.com). I personally dont have a problem with it...but then again, Im white

Another thing, I dont know how people claim that the civil war had nothing to do with slavery, they claim that people who believe that it did have something to do with slavery just dont know their history. The fact is that slavery was one of the primary catalysts leading up to the civil war for about 50 years

[Grape Ape]

I see it as a representation of southern pride but due to the negative connotations that arise from its association with racist groups I tend not to fly it.

[mbj]

I think that if you wrap it around a plane on a treadmill the plane will take off, but only if you put 32s on it with a BB and, of course, use a Warn winch to pull it onto the treadmill. If the plane does not take off, I think it's not physics, but rather George W. Bush that caused the failure.

[Sporer65]

I don't feel it is a racist symbol but, how it is used by some is a racist symbol. Like the KKK flying the flag, racist. South Carolina flying the flag over the capital and Georgia having it as part of their state flag, not racist.

[mbj]

on a serious note, I think the flag represents a failed effort to destroy the United States of America. Personally, that's not a heritage I'd care to be celebrating, but maybe that's just me.

[shunt]

IMHO............. I don't see a problem with it. There were thousands of Americans that died for that flag. Both black and white.
As long as you're not a moron with it or the stars and stripes I'm OK with it...I'd rather see that flag flown as opposed to the nazi flag....

[Sporer65]

Originally Posted by martinsburgjeep

on a serious note, I think the flag represents a failed effort to destroy the United States of America. Personally, that's not a heritage I'd care to be celebrating, but maybe that's just me.

That could also be applied to the British flag. Nobody flys the Union jack and they aren't ashamed of that heritage. And if someone did want to fly that flag, nobody would be offended. So, why would the Confederate flag be any different.

But Grape Ape is right though, because of all the racist groups using it, it has lost a lot of it's meaning.