[Mesa4x4]

I know that the Texas Flag flyes even with the American flag and was supposed to be broken into 4 states once it joined the union after 1845. How hard would it be to break off if the **** hit the fan.

[MuddDog]

WTF?

I only know this because someone on here had to criticize a flag my father in law had drawn on the garage. Flag law states that all state flags can be flown even with the American flag.

The Texas flag can be flown at the same height as the U.S. flag. Texas is the only state that has been its own country. After Texes fought and won its independence from Mexico in the battle of San Jacinto it became the republic of Texas. Mexico didn't want to give up so easy and that spawned the Mexican war which the US intervened in and won and annexed Texas from Mexico. Because if this it has the same honor as the American flag the colors also stand for the same thing.


Texas was not the first state to do this. Vermont and Hawaii where their own countries before they became states.


According to Texas government code, Title 11, section 3100.055
"If the state flag and the flag of the United States are displayed on flagpoles or flagstaffs at the same location: (1) the flags should be displayed on flagpoles or flagstaffs of the same height;"



http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp

[rustywrangler]

Originally Posted by MuddDog

According to Texas government code, Title 11, section 3100.055
"If the state flag and the flag of the United States are displayed on flagpoles or flagstaffs at the same location: (1) the flags should be displayed on flagpoles or flagstaffs of the same height;"

That reads the poles should be at equal height, not the flags.

[MuddDog]

That's why I added the snopes link

Texas is no more special than any other state.

[rebelone50]

We fly them at the same height. Some would prefer the TEXAS flag higher.

[Mesa4x4]

The flag elevation was told to me by someone that lives here. I haven't done enough research to find out the truth. I could be wrong on that point but that is beside the point? Georgia is a good example as it broke off of Russia. If a state such as Hawaii and Texas that have deeper roots as a sovereign nation, how hard would it be.

This is a rhetorical question folks… Texas has fought for its independance before. Would it have to fight for it again if enough people here wanted it, or is there something on the books that gives it a out based on some treaty in some dusty law book.

[lawdogg]

[Mesa4x4]

Originally Posted by lawdogg

do you have one of those for Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri (you can have St Louis)

[twobit]

from a google search.....

From: Joe DiMaggio
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Date: December 1995


Ok, I got off my butt and went to a bookstore, where I found a fine compendium of Texana entitled "The Truth About Texas" by Anne Dingus (IHNW, IJLS "Anne Dingus") ISBN 0-87719-282-0.

Here's what it has to say about secession:

Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861. Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede frmo the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails.

One privelege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.

On the Annexation of Texas:

Texans are justly proud of living in a state that was once an independant republic and that entered the Union by treaty, not by act of Congress. Surprise! Texas did *not* enter the Union by treaty. Though at the time of its admission the two countries were negotiating a treaty of annexation, President John Tyler, as one of his last acts in office, offered statehood under the terms drawn up by the House of Representatives. As a result, Texas got a better deal than it would have under the treaty. For example, it became a state immediately, without having to pass through a probationary period as a mere territory.

The terms of the congressional bill included a requirement that Texas cede to the US all forts, barracks, navy yards, and other property pertaining to the public defense, but it also allowed Texas to keep its public lands, a generous condition rarely found in annexation treaties. However, in exchange for that concession, Texas also had to maintain responsibility for its own public debt.

So this gives us...

T. Texas was an independent country.
F. Texas joined the US by treaty (it was an act of Congress). F. Texas has the right to leave the Union. T. Texas has the right to split into as many as 5 states.

[Greg_Volkman]

Originally Posted by rebelone50

We fly them at the same height. Some would prefer the TEXAS flag higher.

As a member of the military, i find that insulting. We never fly ANY flags as high as the US Flag.

[MuddDog]

Originally Posted by lawdogg

LOL! Hell I wish I didn't live here sometimes, it looks more and more like Mexico every day.

[twobit]

and here is one on "Texas flag at same height" see Urban legend at end.

Flag of Texas
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Flag of Texas
Flying at the Capitol Building in Austin.The flag of Texas is defined by law as follows:

“ The state flag consists of a rectangle with a width to length ratio of two to three containing: (1) a blue vertical stripe one-third the entire length of the flag wide, and two equal horizontal stripes, the upper stripe white, the lower red, each two-thirds the entire length of the flag long; and (2) a white, regular five-pointed star in the center of the blue stripe, oriented so that one point faces upward, and of such a size that the diameter of a circle passing through the five points of the star is equal to three-fourths the width of the blue stripe. The red and blue of the state flag are the same colors used in the United States flag. ”

The Texas flag is known as the "Lone Star Flag" (giving Texas its nickname of the "Lone Star State"). This flag was introduced to the Congress of the Republic of Texas on December 28, 1838, by Senator William H. Wharton. It was adopted on January 24, 1839 as the final national flag of the Republic of Texas.

When Texas became the 28th state of the Union on December 29, 1845, its national flag became the state flag. Texas law assigns the following symbolism to the colors of the Texas flag: blue stands for loyalty, white for purity, and red for bravery.[1] The official Pantone shades for the Texas flag are 193 (red) and 281 (dark blue).[1]

Contents [hide]
1 The Burnet Flag
2 Pledge of allegiance
3 Urban legend
4 Similar flags
5 See also
6 Notes
7 External links



[edit] The Burnet Flag

The Burnet Flag (1836–1839)The Lone Star Flag replaced the previous national flag (known as the Burnet Flag), which had been adopted on December 10, 1836. It consisted of an azure background with a large golden star, inspired by the 1810 "Bonnie Blue Flag" of the Republic of West Florida. Variants of the Burnet Flag with a white star, virtually identical to the Bonnie Blue Flag, were also common.


[edit] Pledge of allegiance
The pledge of allegiance to the state flag is as follows:

“ Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.[2] ”

The pledge was instituted by the Texas Legislature in 1933, and originally referred to the "Texas flag of 1836" (which was the Burnet Flag, and not the Lone Star Flag then in use). In 1965, the error was corrected by deleting the words "of 1836". In 2007, the phrase "one state under God" was added.[2] The addition of "under God" has been challenged in court, though an injunction was denied.[3]


[edit] Urban legend

The U.S. and Texas flags flying at the Texas State CapitolIt is a common urban legend that the Texas flag is the only state flag that is allowed to fly at the same height as the U.S. flag. Allegedly, Texas has this right inherently (as a former independent nation) or because it negotiated special provisions when it joined the Union (this version has been stated as fact on a PBS website[4]). However, the legend is false. Neither the Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States nor the Ordinance of Annexation[5] contain any provisions regarding flags. According to the United States Flag Code, any state flag can be flown at the same height as the U.S. flag; the U.S. flag should be on its right (the viewer's left), however. Consistent with the U.S. Flag Code, the Texas Flag Code specifies that the state flag should either be flown below the U.S. flag if on the same pole or at the same height as the U.S. flag if on separate poles.[1]

[Mesa4x4]

Thanks for the data...

Originally Posted by MuddDog

LOL! Hell I wish I didn't live here sometimes, it looks more and more like Mexico every day.

You know as well as I do if we didn't have the FEDs to deal with those ****ers wouldn't be here, and that fence would have been built a long time ago. There is such a problem here in Houston they have porta potty's out for the Illegal workers to crap in so they don't **** in the streets. It's BS that the cops can't run them off or ask for ID's or legal status!

People from PA don't understand...

If the SHTF you'll be glad you did live here. I told my wife long ago there are two places I want to live in that case. Texas or Salt Lake City Utah.

[Gunbunny]

Originally Posted by Greg_Volkman

As a member of the military, i find that insulting. We never fly ANY flags as high as the US Flag.

Nonsense. Get off the Air Force Base (you guys don't do enough parades ) and go find someplace where they have regular parades (like an Army or Marine base) and look at the flags carried in the parade. The flag staff for the US colors and the organizational colors will be the same length. When you order a replacement flag staff - it's the same National Stock Number for both national and organizational colors.

[Reswob]

If Osama wins, and TX becomes independant, are you guys accepting citizenship applications?