Breathe easy gun owners, the dems don't want them

**JFamily** · 03-03-2009, 02:42 PM

truth or calm before the storm?

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By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The National Rifle Association warned in a campaign ad that if Barack Obama were elected president he would try to take away hunters' guns and ammo. But with pro-gun Democrats a powerful force in Congress, it's already pretty clear there will be no messing with Americans' right to bear arms.

Twenty-two Democrats, including Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, joined Republicans last week in a Senate vote to negate the District of Columbia's tough gun registration requirements and overturn its ban on rapid-fire semiautomatic weapons. More than 80 House Democrats voted for a similar measure last year.

"It was a pleasant surprise, but it's not a huge surprise that elected officials are listening to their constituents," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

It's not certain that the gun measure, attached to a bill on D.C. voting rights, will be a part of the final version of that bill. But with six of 11 Democratic Senate freshmen -- from pro-gun states such as Alaska, Colorado, New Mexico and Virginia -- voting for the proposal, it was a clear sign of where Congress is heading on gun issues.

"There has been a shift in thinking among Democrats in the last six to eight years, away from old ideas about gun control and limiting access to guns and toward ideas about how you actually reduce gun crime," said Matt Bennett of Third Way, a group of moderate Democrats active on gun control issues.

That shift has been frustrating for lawmakers who have long decried the NRA's ability to block gun control legislation.

"We do not debate guns around here much anymore," said the Senate's no. 2 Democrat, **** Durbin of Illinois, during debate on the D.C. gun amendment. "Basically, we reached a point where there are not many people who will stick their political necks out to vote for sensible gun control -- too big a hassle."

A case in point is new Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand, a steadfast gun rights advocate when she represented a pro-gun, Republican-leaning district in upstate New York. Her appointment to succeed Hillary Clinton as New York's junior senator drew protests from gun-control Democrats, but after she voted against the D.C. gun amendment Republicans accused her of abandoning her principles for political expediency.

Gillibrand's spokesman, Matt Canter, said the senator supports Second Amendment rights. But she also believes that local governments have the right to put legitimate limits on firearms and that law enforcement must have the tools to protect the public from gun violence, he said.

A major turning point came last June, when the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 vote overturning D.C.'s ban on handgun possession, confirmed that the Second Amendment gives private citizens the right to bear arms.

Gun control advocates were consoled that the decision also specifies that gun rights are not open-ended, that government can impose some restrictions in the public interest.

With the court ruling, the argument that gun control will lead to gun bans no longer applies, said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "The slippery slope doesn't go anywhere anymore, and I think people realize that."

For the time being, any gun-related legislation will be incremental. Helmke's group is urging the Obama administration to overturn a rule imposed in the last days of the Bush administration allowing people to carry concealed, loaded weapons in most national parks.

There will also be a push to repeal the so-called Tiahrt amendment, named after Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., that limits the authority of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to disclose gun-trace data to the public and requires that certain records submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System be destroyed after 24 hours.

Both the Third Way's Bennett and Helmke said it may take another major gun crime, like the shootings at Columbine High School or Virginia Tech, to get Congress to act on more ambitious gun control initiatives.

Those include overturning a law enacted in 2005 that denies gun crime victims the right to sue firearms manufacturers and dealers for damages.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she plans to push legislation to reinstate a federal ban on some assault weapons that became law during the Clinton administration in 1994 but expired under the Bush administration in 2004. Another long-term goal is requiring that all gun shows conduct background checks before selling firearms.

The NRA's Cox said his group is gearing up to fight a new assault weapons ban, noting that Obama supports one and that Attorney General Eric Holder recently linked the proliferation of military-style weapons to the violence along the Mexican border. "It's laughable if it wasn't so serious to suggest that diminishing the Second Amendment will positively impact the situation down in Mexico," Cox said.

But he said the NRA is also prepared to work with Democrats, as it did in 2007 in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, to pass legislation making it easier to flag prospective gun buyers with a history of mental problems.

PJL · 03-03-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JFamily

truth or calm before the storm?

A reaction like this is just proof that some people are never happy.

**JFamily** · 03-03-2009, 03:57 PM

while I was simply making a joke, want me to call the wahmbulance for you just in case?

GasAxe · 03-03-2009, 04:01 PM

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For the time being, any gun-related legislation will be incremental.

The only important line out of the story IMO.

Reswob · 03-03-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PJL

A reaction like this is just proof that some people are never happy.

Or maybe they just know Osama bin Biden's true agenda...

PJL · 03-03-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

Or maybe they just know Osama bin Biden's true agenda...

Oh, I forgot about that...the "Secret Secret Muslim/Implant a Facist Terrorist In The American Government Fifty Years in the Making Plan."

**Matt Gertsch** · 03-03-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PJL

A reaction like this is just proof that some people are never happy.

Some people in government will never be happy until they control an unarmed populace.

PJL · 03-03-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Gertsch

Some people in government will never be happy until they control an unarmed populace.

And some will never be happy until we live in an armed-to-the-teeth, self-induced fascist theocracy.

There are a lot of ways to control a populace.

Coyotes97 · 03-03-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PJL

There are a lot of ways to control a populace.

Well said. But given the recent statement by the AG I don't think gun rights supporters should sit back and 'be happy'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

ChryslerForever · 03-03-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

Or maybe they just know Osama bin Biden's true agenda...

Can you tell explain exactly who or what osama bin biden is?

Reswob · 03-03-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChryslerForever

Can you tell explain exactly who or what osama bin biden is?

The leaders of the new socialist regime? Or did you miss the last election?

Reswob · 03-03-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PJL

Oh, I forgot about that...the "Secret Secret Muslim/Implant a Facist Terrorist In The American Government Fifty Years in the Making Plan."

NY/CA'ers just aren't happy until the rest of the States are as ****ed as they are, are they?

**the88thpianoman** · 03-03-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

The leaders of the new socialist regime? Or did you miss the last election?

I think you must be confused about who was elected. Osama is the name of a terrorist who attacked the United States. He's not an American citizen, and so wasn't able to run for president in this country. Obama, on the other hand, is an American citizen, not a terrorist, and he was elected president.

I see now why you've been so upset this whole time, I'm glad I could clear that up for you.

ChryslerForever · 03-03-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

The leaders of the new socialist regime? Or did you miss the last election?

Hmmm... no I didn't miss the last election and I wasn't aware that we had a "socialist regime"

So how do you equate President Obama with Osama?

ChryslerForever · 03-03-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the88thpianoman

I think you must be confused about who was elected. Osama is the name of a terrorist who attacked the United States. He's not an American citizen, and so wasn't able to run for president in this country. Obama, on the other hand, is an American citizen, not a terrorist, and he was elected president.

I see now why you've been so upset this whole time, I'm glad I could clear that up for you.

Thanks Pianoman. I see some people here still need to be educated every now and then.