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Unread 01-21-2010, 09:49 PM   #1
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Best Brand of AR-15's?

I am going to be purchasing an AR-15 with my tax return, which is the best brand to get? And which brands should I avoid??

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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:15 PM   #2
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Build your own, I like CMMG....

If i had to buy an out the box AR-15 style Firearm, it would be a COLT. Not flash by any means in comparison to all the Rambo type guns all the other companies are making, but it works and has for decades. All my law enforcement friends can't say enough good things about an out the box COLT and how it'll beat any secret squirrel custom rifle. Alas I live in California where just the name makes it damn near impossible to get your hands on one. (who ever though listing manufactures for a ban was a good idea?)
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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:19 PM   #3
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i would say colt too, thats what we got
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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:30 PM   #4
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Stag Arms makes a good Ar. If you want cheap and decent, check out
Model1sales.com. DPMS makes a decent gun as well as Bushmaster. I am building one with a Charles Daly receiver and DPMS parts.

Also, what are you wanting it chambered in? .223, 5.56, .308, .50???
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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:32 PM   #5
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Branding really doesnt matter 'that much' as long as everything is MIL-SPEC. If it isnt MIL-SPEC dont bother buying it. Basically 3 companies make the parts anyway and the just sell them out to companies to put their name on them.

X2 on building your own! Ive built 2 now, and its the best way to go. Its generally cheaper, and you get exactly what you want on it, not someone elses build.
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Stag Arms makes a good Ar. If you want cheap and decent, check out
Model1sales.com. DPMS makes a decent gun as well as Bushmaster. I am building one with a Charles Daly receiver and DPMS parts.

Also, what are you wanting it chambered in? .223, 5.56, .308, .50???
.223 is what i'm going to go with.
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.223 is what i'm going to go with.
Yes, this is nit picky, .223 and 5.56 are basically the same thing, but get a 5.56. 5.56 can shoot both rounds, .223s can only shoot .223 (safely). The 5.56 is a NATO round which will shoot at a higher pressure. A 5.56 will allow you to shoot surplus ammo along with civilian ammo, but be sure to get a heavier buffer if you go with 5.56.
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There's a million answers to this question. Read this:
So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

If you don't want to read that, just don't buy an Olympic arms.

Get a CMMG, S&W, Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS, Colt, RRA, Stag, etc.
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Yes, this is nit picky, .223 and 5.56 are basically the same thing, but get a 5.56. 5.56 can shoot both rounds, .223s can only shoot .223 (safely). The 5.56 is a NATO round which will shoot at a higher pressure. A 5.56 will allow you to shoot surplus ammo along with civilian ammo, but be sure to get a heavier buffer if you go with 5.56.
Well this depends on how accurate you want it a longer distances, a .223 fired from a 5.56 wont be as accurate at a longer distance than a .223 from a milspec .223.

The military 5.56 stuff is normally thicker brass. Not a lot, but enough to change the internal volume of the cartridge. A 5.56 chamber has a bit more lead (the 'free jump' space at the end of the chamber before the bullet gets to the lands in the bore).

That bit of extra lead creates an effectively larger chamber, keeping pressure from building quite as high. The downside to this is that a rifle with a 5.56 chamber will probably not be as accurate as one with a match .223 chamber. It's a matter of degrees though - you'd probably need to bench the rifle to see the difference in accuracy, and even then there are so many variables between rifles that it (the accuracy differences due to chamber type) may get lost in the noise.

Firing a 5.56 round in a .223 chamber can lead to an overpressure situation thanks to the effectively smaller chamber caused by the shorter jump to the lands (leade).

This is all why the .223 Wylde exists. It's meant to meet the qualities of both chamber types in the middle. Theoretically more accurate than a 5.56 chamber and still safe for military ball
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Over the past year or two I've built myself and my wife each CMMG ARs. They have been flawless through a couple thousand rounds. If I were going to buy a complete rifle I would go with Danial Defense or Noveske but only because Colts are banned in Cali. I would also go with .308 just to be different the others are 5.56.

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Well this depends on how accurate you want it a longer distances, a .223 fired from a 5.56 wont be as accurate at a longer distance than a .223 from a milspec .223.

The military 5.56 stuff is normally thicker brass. Not a lot, but enough to change the internal volume of the cartridge. A 5.56 chamber has a bit more lead (the 'free jump' space at the end of the chamber before the bullet gets to the lands in the bore).

That bit of extra lead creates an effectively larger chamber, keeping pressure from building quite as high. The downside to this is that a rifle with a 5.56 chamber will probably not be as accurate as one with a match .223 chamber. It's a matter of degrees though - you'd probably need to bench the rifle to see the difference in accuracy, and even then there are so many variables between rifles that it (the accuracy differences due to chamber type) may get lost in the noise.

Firing a 5.56 round in a .223 chamber can lead to an overpressure situation thanks to the effectively smaller chamber caused by the shorter jump to the lands (leade).

This is all why the .223 Wylde exists. It's meant to meet the qualities of both chamber types in the middle. Theoretically more accurate than a 5.56 chamber and still safe for military ball
Best explanation I've seen so far, that bit of information took me months to compile, read, and understand while I was building my own. That seems to be what I got as well and is a pretty good "in a nut shell" overview.

So I've got a CMMG and am fairly happy with it, now I got a zinger to throw in here.... whats up with CMMGs barrel coating and how do all these new companies compete with their super secret squirrel internal coatings?
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Over the past year or two I've built myself and my wife each CMMG ARs. They have been flawless through a couple thousand rounds. If I were going to buy a complete rifle I would go with Danial Defense or Noveske but only because Colts are banned in Cali. I would also go with .308 just to be different the others are 5.56.

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You like your CMMG as well? I like how for the most part their components and complete rifles are clean and simple. I'm not one for every tactical flashlight and a rail on every angle/corner.

What upper receiver did you use?
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So I've got a CMMG and am fairly happy with it, now I got a zinger to throw in here.... whats up with CMMGs barrel coating and how do all these new companies compete with their super secret squirrel internal coatings?
For the "hobby" shooter (you and me and 99% of the world) barrel coatings, whether there or not, make absolutely no difference. That being said, my Bushy varminter is chrome lined simply because I demand long-lasting pinpoint accuracy....yah right, that rifle outshoots me all day long at 300+ yards.
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For the "hobby" shooter (you and me and 99% of the world) barrel coatings, whether there or not, make absolutely no difference. That being said, my Bushy varminter is chrome lined simply because I demand long-lasting pinpoint accuracy....yah right, that rifle outshoots me all day long at 300+ yards.

My CMMG is chrome lined with their WASP lining. From what I gather it will just hold up better and should stay "cleaner" per say for an AR. Like I said I'm the hobby shooter who hasn't had any problems with it. All my LEO friends really like it though.
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The "what AR" discussion should be labeled "Which AR do you own?" They turn into ford/vs chevy more often than not with whatever that poster owns as being 'best'. Same with most firearms discussions. I've shot all types and have come to the conclusion that there are some that are more or less expensive, but other than than they're pretty universal. Decent upper, decent lower, decent barrel, decent trigger, and you've got a pretty decent rifle.

I do have an opinion on pistols based on repeated personal experience, but that's a whole other topic for people to get pissed at me about

That's discounting anything I've read on the internet (stay away from xxx because I heard etc), just actual trigger time. Last rifle class I went to had just about every manufacturer out there and we beat the living crap out of those rifles. Shot more in a day than your average guy will in the next decade and did it in sleet and rain and dust-storms. I don't recall anyone having any problems.

Just don't dump every penny you have into it. They're fun, but of fairly limited use.

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