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Unread 01-22-2010, 09:37 AM   #16
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As long as you make more air available (big pipe) you should be fine. For my 98 TJ's 2.5L I used 3" PVC and painted it black. definate power inc. sorry no pic trying to learn how to do it

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Unread 01-22-2010, 09:39 AM   #17
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did you ever hear of sts turbo kits? google them then get back to me.
+123456789 I'mguessing he's never heard of a rear mounted turbo before....
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As long as you make more air available (big pipe) you should be fine. For my 98 TJ's 2.5L I used 3" PVC and painted it black. definate power inc. sorry no pic trying to learn how to do it
Good point. ...as with ANY air inlet setup.
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I've seen several rear-mounted turbo kits, but a snorkel isn't going to move the air like a turbo does.

I'd also argue that a snorkel isn't like a ram-air induction, because you are completely changing the direction of the air multiple times before it reaches the engine.

Regarding larger tubing, when the stock intake tubing is something like 3", that 2.5" tubing used on the homemade snorkel up there has got to be choking the engine.
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I've seen several rear-mounted turbo kits, but a snorkel isn't going to move the air like a turbo does.

I'd also argue that a snorkel isn't like a ram-air induction, because you are completely changing the direction of the air multiple times before it reaches the engine.
Duh. He isn't saying it would. He's saying that, if you have the option to either have more efficient air (i.e, cooler and MORE forced) via extra tubing, or stock setup, the former is better. THink of it is like an agent's commissino.
You put on the snorkel and the air is colder and more efficiently "forced" in than stock setup. For this, you have to pay 10% (the tubing doesn't allow the air to move as fast). You are still gaining efficiency, so while you take the 10% hit, you still gain.
As far as "cooler and MORE forced", for an explanation, see next paragraph.

I didn't say it was "like" a ram-air induction...I said it is "the same priniciple". To elaborate (I thought I made this clear), where as the stock setup has the horn or inlet sitting under the hood, usually pointed off to the side or, in the case of my 4.7HO, pointed right at the back of the d/s headlight (WTF?), both the ram-air induction setup AND the snorkel have the main initial inlet outside the vehicle and facing the front, which causes already moving air (depending on your speed) to be forced/jammed/rammed (take your pick) down it's "throat".


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Regarding larger tubing, when the stock intake tubing is something like 3", that 2.5" tubing used on the homemade snorkel up there has got to be choking the engine.
I think he was talking about using 3" piping for entire snorkel.
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I didn't say it was "like" a ram-air induction...I said it is "the same priniciple". To elaborate (I thought I made this clear), where as the stock setup has the horn or inlet sitting under the hood, usually pointed off to the side or, in the case of my 4.7HO, pointed right at the back of the d/s headlight (WTF?), both the ram-air induction setup AND the snorkel have the main initial inlet outside the vehicle and facing the front, which causes already moving air (depending on your speed) to be forced/jammed/rammed (take your pick) down it's "throat".

I agree that the stock intake seems to be poorly designed, and I also agree that you are pulling cooler air from outside(undoubtedly). However, although the air is being rammed into the initial intake of the snorkel, it loses its ram affect because it changes direction so many times.

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I think he was talking about using 3" piping for entire snorkel.
Motown's cousin used 2.5" piping for his entire snorkel.
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I agree that the stock intake seems to be poorly designed, and I also agree that you are pulling cooler air from outside(undoubtedly). However, although the air is being rammed into the initial intake of the snorkel, it loses its ram affect because it changes direction so many times.



Motown's cousin used 2.5" piping for his entire snorkel.

Seriously?? I don't know how to put it more clearly.
Yes, the direction changes mean loss of "momentum", for lack of a better word.
But I can pretty much guarantee that, if you took the inlet tube off at the TB and tested the volume moving through it as it sits in the engine bay, and then compared that with the snorkel and it's 3 extra bends attached, you would still find QUITE a bit more air (and, not to beat a dead horse, but COOLER, denser air) coming through the snorkel setup.

You're KILLING me, smalls!!

So?? I was talking to/about mudbogger98's setup, where he used 3" piping for the snorkel. As I said, more efficient to use 3" ALL the way through, but I'm willing to bet there is SOME positive difference in even using 3" piping JUST for the snorkel, over continuing that 2.5". Even if unnoticable (which is most likely).
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However, although the air is being rammed into the initial intake of the snorkel, it loses its ram affect because it changes direction so many times.
no... it really doesn't.

Go get some pipe and and put a few bends in it and push air into it continuously on one side. It will keep getting pushed through because there is no where else for it to go except keep getting pushed. Sure it will lose a little bit of speed on the turns but in the end it will still be getting pushed faster than what is going into the stock intake.
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Anytime you restrict the breathing of an engine whether it being inhaling through intake, or exhaling through the exhaust you're going to lose power. The only thing relevant is how much power you're losing. IF you're losing a couple horsies over having a snorkel, it's not going to affect you. You could easily make that up somewhere. If you were really fretting about losing power, and mileage then I suggest that you put your jeep back to the OEM specs, add a CAI, and drive like a grandma. Otherwise, just forget about it. These are jeeps, not race cars. The amount of power you could possibly lose is insignificant!
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Once I used a drinking straw as a snorkel in the pool...
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Now you got more air. May leak water but you got more air.
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LOLZ!!!
I'm not going to regurgitate all the reason that that is funny.
Basically, it isn't compressing air, only blowing it. And not enough volume to overcome the vacuum of the intake.

But I have a feeling you were being facetious.
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Once I used a drinking straw as a snorkel in the pool...
Did the air taste cooler and more dense? Did you swim fast enough for the "ram" effect? Did the bend in the straw reduce the volume of air reaching your lungs? Or do you think the reduction was just from the internal diameter of the straw?
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LOLZ!!!
I'm not going to regurgitate all the reason that that is funny.
Basically, it isn't compressing air, only blowing it. And not enough volume to overcome the vacuum of the intake.

But I have a feeling you were being facetious.
That would be accurate
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Seriously?? I don't know how to put it more clearly.
Yes, the direction changes mean loss of "momentum", for lack of a better word.
But I can pretty much guarantee that, if you took the inlet tube off at the TB and tested the volume moving through it as it sits in the engine bay, and then compared that with the snorkel and it's 3 extra bends attached, you would still find QUITE a bit more air (and, not to beat a dead horse, but COOLER, denser air) coming through the snorkel setup.

You're KILLING me, smalls!!

So?? I was talking to/about mudbogger98's setup, where he used 3" piping for the snorkel. As I said, more efficient to use 3" ALL the way through, but I'm willing to bet there is SOME positive difference in even using 3" piping JUST for the snorkel, over continuing that 2.5". Even if unnoticable (which is most likely).
Well done to point out that COOLER AIR=MORE AIR, that is MORE COMBUSTIBLE MOLECULES. The volume delivery will generally not be diminished enough to out-weigh the benefits of the denser air that a snorkel provides.

Another point worth noting is that any of the snorkel manufacturers will point out that, while their product can make deeper crossing possible, the main point is better quality (cooler/denser and CLEANER) of air.

Snorkel is better for short and long term engine performance almost every time, without question.
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