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frumpy · 03-03-2007, 08:25 PM

Wow, why am I not suprised. Another ******* uninformed American whos full of his military. Before you ****ing bash me, what I believe in and what I fight for why dont you do some research. If you do you will find we are an extremely active military that is doing a lot. Furthermore, you will find a lot of Americans are actually trained by Canadians (off the top of my head Canadians are currently teaching the Americans how to use the new electronics on their own ships, as well as they had a Canadian armoured officer as the 2IC in Iraq for a while, Canadians are also stationed at some of your other training bases too... including airbourne.

And before anyone takes this the wrong way Im not bashing the US at all. Im just sick of people who think the US is the only great military in the world and everyone else sucks compared to them.

0utback · 03-03-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WillysJeeper

By the way, Frumpy, you being from Canada...you make sure you address any American with a smile and solute. Canada is about a 1/2 a step in front of France in my book.

GRRRRRRRRR

frumpy · 03-03-2007, 08:35 PM

From today's UK wires:
Salute to a brave and modest nation - Kevin Myers, The Sunday Telegraph LONDON -

Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops are deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will bury its dead, just as the rest of the world, as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.

It seems that Canada 's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored. Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again.

That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved.

Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy. Almost 10% of Canada 's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle.

Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, its unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular Memory as somehow or other the work of the "British."

The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world.

The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated - a touching scrupulousness, which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity.

So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality - unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg, Alex Trebek, Art Linkletter and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British. It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers.

Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves - and are unheard by anyone else - that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth - in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia.

Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular on-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace - a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit.

So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun.

It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This past year more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well.

frumpy · 03-03-2007, 08:39 PM

**schitzangiggles** · 03-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Hey frumpy calm down dude. One assclown does not a circus make.

Any one with "si vis pacem para bellum" in their tag is cool with me.

WillysJeeper · 03-03-2007, 09:10 PM

Sorry...don't what came over me. I apologize for offending you Canadians. If you drive a Jeep your not the left wing-fem-sandal wearing variety that drives me crazy.

DirtyJeepJK · 03-03-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WillysJeeper

Sorry...don't what came over me. I apologize for offending you Canadians. If you drive a Jeep your not the left wing-fem-sandal wearing variety that drives me crazy.

you're not cuttin' on my mesh sandals now, are you?

**schitzangiggles** · 03-03-2007, 09:17 PM

Are they made of hemp? If so then yes...

frumpy · 03-03-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by schitzangiggles

Hey frumpy calm down dude. One assclown does not a circus make.

Any one with "si vis pacem para bellum" in their tag is cool with me.

sorry, I just get pissed when people bash us with no proof what so ever. We are an extremely active and under rated military and Im damn proud to be part of it.

AlTheKillerr · 03-04-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by schitzangiggles

Are they made of hemp? If so then yes...

i have the new addidas that are made from hemp

CJ7Rubicon · 03-04-2007, 12:12 AM

I didnt read all the above,but to answer OP,we had some of every branch of the military down here within 24 hours of hurricane Katrina.

**schitzangiggles** · 03-04-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by frumpy

sorry, I just get pissed when people bash us with no proof what so ever. We are an extremely active and under rated military and Im damn proud to be part of it.

I can relate to that, my sister inlaw lives in Montreal and hangs out with a bunch of (and I am not kidding here) socialist leftists and they seem to think all Americans are hatemongers and Blah, blah, blah fricken blah. I kinda tune them out when they start on one of their rants. I feel your pain.

Buntaluffigus · 03-04-2007, 01:58 AM

Don't listen to these Canadians. They just flat out don't know what they think they know.

**PhilipJ** · 03-04-2007, 11:02 AM

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire.......

**War Eagle** · 03-04-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frumpy

Wasnt looking for a smart *** answer, just wanted to know who responds for the americans to these type of situations

Well you can't always get what you want, sunshine.

03-03-2007, 08:35 PM	#18
frumpy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pembroke ON, Ontario Posts: 1,978 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	From today's UK wires: *Salute to a brave and modest nation* - Kevin Myers, The Sunday Telegraph LONDON - Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops are deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will bury its dead, just as the rest of the world, as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does. It seems that Canada 's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored. Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again. That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved. Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy. Almost 10% of Canada 's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle. Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, its unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular Memory as somehow or other the work of the "British." The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world. The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated - a touching scrupulousness, which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity. So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality - unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg, Alex Trebek, Art Linkletter and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British. It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers. Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves - and are unheard by anyone else - that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth - in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia. Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular on-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace - a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit. So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun. It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This past year more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well. __________________ 2002 Dodge Dakota quad cab V8 2011 Dodge Grand Caravan

03-03-2007, 08:39 PM	#19
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03-03-2007, 09:10 PM	#21
WillysJeeper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 61 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	To Candadians... Sorry...don't what came over me. I apologize for offending you Canadians. If you drive a Jeep your not the left wing-fem-sandal wearing variety that drives me crazy.

03-04-2007, 01:58 AM	#28
Buntaluffigus Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, California Posts: 280 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Don't listen to these Canadians. They just flat out don't know what they think they know.