[175MM BULLDOG]

OK, they let it rot. Why don't they build a new section alongside of it, and let the old section keep pumping until it pops? They could tie the new section in when it is finished, instead of stopping the flow. OH! I get it, they get to rape us with higher prices until it is repaired.

The pipeline will remain open while the repair section is being built. Via channel six news this AM.

[Roach]

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[jeverett]

Originally Posted by 175MM BULLDOG

OK, they let it rot. Why don't they build a new section alongside of it, and let the old section keep pumping until it pops? They could tie the new section in when it is finished, instead of stopping the flow. OH! I get it, they get to rape us with higher prices until it is repaired.

hmm lets see.

1. It would be new construction for petrolium industry purposes, so they would have to do a new environmental inpact assessment, to the EPA for approval, not get challenged by the sierra club or any of those groups and have to do another, more indepth environmental impact assement and go through all the red tape that takes an average of 10yrs to get through, if you don't have any serious challenges.

2. then they have to get a costly EPA building permit and spend BILLIONS on new pipe and labor to rebuild a pipe a few feet over from one that could have been repaired with a little work

3. Then they would have idiots like you *****ing about how they screwed us all by doing this that added billions of dollars in cost to something so that they could pass it on to us and raise the prices even more when they could have simply done a short shut down and fixed the damn pipe.

4. For the record, had they shut it down to do preventative maintenence, idiots like you would have *****ed at them then as well.

Basically STFU man, gas prices suck but it is not the oil companies out to get you, it is the increased demand world wide with fairly static supply and the investors who use every little thing like this as an excuse to buy at a higher price per barrel that have been driving up gas prices.

[mmasuperman12]

im sorry not to gloat but gas prices here dropped 5 cents since last night. i dont get it but im not complaining.

Jeverett i hate to break it to you but they had to much water flowing in the pipe with the oil, they skipped that section like the last 2 times they inspected them from the inside. that is old its going to rot no matter what. and its only 8% of the oil we get it really shouldnt affect prices. if you want to b!tch to some one go complain to venezula they are the ones raping us on prices.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by mmasuperman12

im sorry not to gloat but gas prices here dropped 5 cents since last night. i dont get it but im not complaining.

Jeverett i hate to break it to you but they had to much water flowing in the pipe with the oil, they skipped that section like the last 2 times they inspected them from the inside. that is old its going to rot no matter what. and its only 8% of the oil we get it really shouldnt affect prices. if you want to b!tch to some one go complain to venezula they are the ones raping us on prices.

Oh, I know that, what I am saying is that it is inevitable that sometime, they will have to shut down a metal pipe in a cold damp climate due to corrosion damage or preventative maintenece to keep corrosion dammage from getting that bad. And no matter what, when that happens some idiot is going to find something about it to complain about and try to claim that the oil companies are only doing that to raise the price of gas because they are out to get us.

[175MM BULLDOG]

Originally Posted by jeverett

hmm lets see.

1. It would be new construction for petrolium industry purposes, so they would have to do a new environmental inpact assessment, to the EPA for approval, not get challenged by the sierra club or any of those groups and have to do another, more indepth environmental impact assement and go through all the red tape that takes an average of 10yrs to get through, if you don't have any serious challenges.

2. then they have to get a costly EPA building permit and spend BILLIONS on new pipe and labor to rebuild a pipe a few feet over from one that could have been repaired with a little work

3. Then they would have idiots like you *****ing about how they screwed us all by doing this that added billions of dollars in cost to something so that they could pass it on to us and raise the prices even more when they could have simply done a short shut down and fixed the damn pipe.

4. For the record, had they shut it down to do preventative maintenence, idiots like you would have *****ed at them then as well.

Basically STFU man, gas prices suck but it is not the oil companies out to get you, it is the increased demand world wide with fairly static supply and the investors who use every little thing like this as an excuse to buy at a higher price per barrel that have been driving up gas prices.

Say what! Have you seen the oil companies profit statement lately?

[Varnish]

If they identify an area that could possibly leak, I'm not gonna fault them at all for shutting it off immediately - not worth the risk.

[Dr. Marneaus]

Originally Posted by jeverett

hmm lets see.

1. It would be new construction for petrolium industry purposes, so they would have to do a new environmental inpact assessment, to the EPA for approval, not get challenged by the sierra club or any of those groups and have to do another, more indepth environmental impact assement and go through all the red tape that takes an average of 10yrs to get through, if you don't have any serious challenges.

2. then they have to get a costly EPA building permit and spend BILLIONS on new pipe and labor to rebuild a pipe a few feet over from one that could have been repaired with a little work

3. Then they would have idiots like you *****ing about how they screwed us all by doing this that added billions of dollars in cost to something so that they could pass it on to us and raise the prices even more when they could have simply done a short shut down and fixed the damn pipe.

4. For the record, had they shut it down to do preventative maintenence, idiots like you would have *****ed at them then as well.

Basically STFU man, gas prices suck but it is not the oil companies out to get you, it is the increased demand world wide with fairly static supply and the investors who use every little thing like this as an excuse to buy at a higher price per barrel that have been driving up gas prices.

friggin liberals.

you think the oil companies are all nice and doing us a service? its all a buncha bull****.

there isnt a hurricane slowing production right now so they need some other reason to jack up the prices, you know its true.

[mpd8488]

Originally Posted by Marneaus

friggin liberals.

you think the oil companies are all nice and doing us a service? its all a buncha bull****.

there isnt a hurricane slowing production right now so they need some other reason to jack up the prices, you know its true.

At the end of the day we are still buying it at there prices. The market dictates the prices and clearly higher prices aren't affecting our driving habits because we are drivnig more this year than we did last year.

Corporations are just a reflection of their customers. We as Americans decided to reject public transportation in favor of large personal vehicles. We made the choice and we can make the choice to change things.

[Dr. Marneaus]

i'm not trying to argue i guess.

what it comes down to is that the price is the price, oil companies can have what ever effect they want or dont want or what have you, but we still gotta pay it. i'm still driving to las vegas, you're still driving to work, etc.

[Greydawg]

Originally Posted by Marneaus

i'm not trying to argue i guess.

what it comes down to is that the price is the price, oil companies can have what ever effect they want or dont want or what have you, but we still gotta pay it. i'm still driving to las vegas, you're still driving to work, etc.

So you're saying they got us over a barrell?



Seriously, they have machines that can go through the pipe and inspect it. There was so much sludge built up on that section they couldn't fit it through. There's supposed to be regular maintainance and nothing was done to this section since the early '90s.

And Jeverett, go get laid or something. USE your tool- don't BE a tool.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by Marneaus

friggin liberals.

you think the oil companies are all nice and doing us a service? its all a buncha bull****.

there isnt a hurricane slowing production right now so they need some other reason to jack up the prices, you know its true.

you just made my day, this is the first time I have ever been called liberal in my life.

I am quite conservative, I also happen to know what government regulars require for building anything to do with the oul industry because of all the liberal idiots who keep adding restrictions to the oil industry.

And as for the billions they make in profit, they ar not going to put all of that into building a new pipeline, anyone who thinks that doesn't have a clue how business works. They will increase the price of their product to cover whatever the increase in cost to them is.

[Expat]

Ok here is the deal people. I have worked for an oil company in production and pipelines for 25 years. BP is not screwing or trying to screw anyone. They, as all companies do, try to make as much profit as they can. Oil companies have NO EFFECT on the market price. Sometimes decisions are made that when taken out of context or viewed from the outside don't make sense. Fact is this line was known to have problems but to fix it would take a major shutdown and LOSS of production and cash flow. These lines are very old and in a harsh environment, they don't last forever no matter what you do. Sometimes when the maintenance cost(downtime) far exceeds the business logic to repair. In other words it would take as much time to repair it right a few years ago as it would now. Sometimes it just makes sense to run it till it breaks to get as much mileage out of the investment before repairs or replacement. No one predicted that prices would be what they are now a few years ago or repairs would have been made then. Trust me BP wanted nothing more than to keep that oil flowing but they or any oil company cannot afford the embarrassment of having an environmental disaster. While they would probably do it differently with hindsight they did the right thing by making the decision to fix it.

[Expat]

Originally Posted by jeverett

They will increase the price of their product to cover whatever the increase in cost to them is.

Wrong on that part. They have no control in the market price or crude. They cannot raise their end product prices either as they have to stay competitive. They will suffer a huge most in their next quarter profits (from what they would have been).

[JoshBowers]

What was it on the news recently?

Most other lines are inspected EVERY 14 DAYS.

This one was inspected, nearly >>>15<<< YEARS AGO.

We're being screwed by idiot, moron, dicks who need to be shot in the foot!

And why do they get away with it? Because we let them.

Why do we let them?

Because we have no idea how to change it.

We're screwed.