[jeepduo]

I am like alot of you other guys. I hate it if the guy was sick, but I really don't think the Marshalls had a choice. You've only got a few seconds to analzye.

[_Kyle_]

This is the first event since 9/11 to show the effectiveness of the new security. Unfortunately, the guy may not have known what he is doing, but if you make a threat, then make suspicious moves, and don't heed the orders of a federal agent, you will be shot. I'm quite suprised that they didn't shoot to kill, as far as I know, he was alive for 2-3 hours after being shot. Also, I'm not too sure how passenger screening works in foreign countries, especially those like Colombia, but the man could have quite possibly been yielding a bomb, and the agents had no way to know how valid his threat was.

[General Lee]

Thats why people should take their meds. I know people can't help certain diseases, but when they know they got to take meds to control it then by all means they should.

I have dealt with alot of bipolar people and they are a huge safety risk, and what happened today proves it.

[Moose_God]

Originally Posted by Shinner

I agree....and think it should also be extended to those who can't spell simple words correctly

I have a bom!

[DiamondFlyer]

In reality, It's really a loss for everyone in the end.

Once the litigation is settled there will be new rules of engagement the FAMs must follow, security will be reducedm and AMR Corp (AA's owner), DHS, and various entities will be sued for millions in damages related to wrongful death. Tax payers and travellers will pickup the bill for tens of millions in costs and AMR Corp will sue the government for millions in lost revenue as well as each of the other airlines that operate at the "D" concourse which resulted in millions of damages in landing fees, rerouting of passengers throughout the system, putting folks in hotels all over the country...

Bottom line a mentally-ill passenger separated from his medication was killed by a Federal Air Marshall, a man who has to live with killing someone who was sick. I'm sure he'll sleep well tonight reliving his day at work.

Training or not, you've still got to come to terms with that, however from what I've heard it's a clean shoot, and the passengers seem to confirm.

If it was me, I'd have bled his *** out, but it doesn't change the circumstances now...

Unfortunate.

[biffstephens]

I feel for the Marshal in this.....hope he doesn't take it to hard....just a bad situation for everyone involved....still glad he was there

[ArloGuthroJeep]

Originally Posted by General Lee

Thats why people should take their meds. I know people can't help certain diseases, but when they know they got to take meds to control it then by all means they should.

I have dealt with alot of bipolar people and they are a huge safety risk, and what happened today proves it.

Trouble is once they are on their meds they believe so much that when they were manic that things made sense and felt wonderful that they love that feeling and since they didn't feel "bad" during manic episodes they see no reason to continue to take them. Family and friends are a huge part of the MD(Manic-Depressive) disease.

It seems so logical for us to say "Yes, take your meds and you'll be better" but they see things is such a different light and have experienced such different things.

-Ryan

[98JEEPTJ]

I think thats great.

[Why J?]

To the Marshalls and their family I hope you are able to cope with this situation. i do applaud your courage and quick thinking. You made the right decision. I am just glad I didn't have to do it.

To the family of the gentlemne that got shot, I guess you shouldn't have forgot his medicine, I bet you won't next time. Oh yea there won't be a next time. This was your fault and there is no one to blame but your selves. I am sure that you will try to sue someone but at the end of the day it wil still be your fault.

[TXST8tj]

i commend the marshall.


we know he did not take his meds, but do we actually know that he was in a manic state? it is just as possible he was depressed and this was a ploy to end his torture. say he actually had a bomb, it could be equally concluded that he was manic and his craziness drove him to such measures, or he was depressed and that drove him to those measures.

[In the open]

I watched a guy get shot that was off his meds.

I'll make it short. About 1997. I worked at a dealership that was next to a carwash. . A looney his car washed on Sunday and said they did a bad job on it , it was a late 70's olds 4dr no paint pile. Monday morning he pulls up to the area where they dry the cars by hand. Gets out with a shotgun and 2 guys jump on him and take the gun and run inside. The guy gets into his trunk and gets a big hammer, follows employees into building. Cops show up. The employee with the gun runs out and cops tell him to drop the gun, he dropps it in the middle of the parking lot and moves away. Guy with hammer walks out to gun and puts hammer down and picks up gun. The whole time cops have guns drawn 5-6 cops. All yelling at looney to lay down, drop the gun. Looney holding gun, walks tward cops all the time cops yelling to drop gun. He starts to bring the shotgun down and they shot him 3-4 times in the chest.2 different cops put 3-4 rounds in him inside of a quarter size hole, into his heart. Found that out later from a cop friend. Crazy stuff. He was later found out to be off his meds.

[VegasJeep]

Originally Posted by DiamondFlyer

If it was me, I'd have bled his *** out, but it doesn't change the circumstances now...

Unfortunate.

To bad a lawyer would have your *** if you wound a guy when shooting him.
Everything you are trained is that you don't draw unless it is life threatening. If it is life threatening you better be ready to kill. If you shoot your weapon (as it is life threatening) you had better KILL them. Otherwaise the goverment sees no reason for you to draw your weapon in the first place.
Draw , aim, double tap to the chest!!!!

No my thoughts? I know at a stance in close proximety I could very easily shoot a guys hand, shoulder or any spot that is not life threatning that will stop the force coming at me wether it be being ran at with a bat, a gun drawn or anythign. But the goverment does nto think so.

[jeepfury]

No offense to the guy but he did have it coming to not takes his meds. In this post 9/11 world you should be more careful. I would have done the same. Just think if one of your family members or loved ones was on that plane? Even if his wife was screaming out hes mentally ill it could just be some cover so the guy could actually detonate a bomb. The point is, you can't F_CK AROUND ON AN AIRPLANE!!!

[erickpl]

I was listening to the Today show and they were interviewing a former air marshall. The question was asked - should they have tried to make a shot that was non lethal so the guy wouldn't die?



Reality - precision shots are for the movies only.

The response was that they are trained to stop the action from being completed (ie not gonna shoot em in the leg (probably miss anyway and hurt an innocent) when, if they are hit) can still complete the act (ie blow something up or whatever).

Shoot to drop. Sort it out later.

I, too, pity the family of the guy who died. But bi polar and forgetting meds? Woulda been a fun vacation for those folks.

People will hopefully someday realize they need to stop making excuses for things and just accept responsibility for their actions.

Kudos the air marshal for doing his job. I hope there are no further 'reprimands' for him doing his trained job.

[CWaldrop]

Has the horrible ACLU taken up the case of the family and sued the airline, marshall, and government yet?