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Unread 12-19-2013, 07:12 PM   #31
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I think my mind is pretty made up in terms of what I'll be buying at this point then: likely a used 12 guage semi-auto. At the end of the day, I guess I just view it as the most versatile. I'll check out pawn shops in my local area, but I'm not fully sure of what quality of weapon they'll be carrying, as well as whether or not pawn shops in NJ can actually sell firearms.

The local gunsmiths here have the following semi autos in stock right now: ATI TAC-SX2, CZ-712, Escort PS, Mossberg 935, Mossberg 930 (What's the difference here?) or a TriStar Viper G2. I'll admit I haven't heard of ATI, Escort or Tristar, so I have no idea if they actually make good weapons. I've heard of the CZ 75 in passing, so I have no idea if they make good stuff. Anyone have any experience with these models?
CZ is (as you may know) a Czech brand. I've not fired their shotguns - but, if they're made anything like their pistols, they're top-notch - especially for the money!

Brno is another Czech maker - also excellent (love their rifles)

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Unread 12-20-2013, 09:51 AM   #32
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Here is a good video showing how a Benelli Inertia Driven system works.

http://www.benelliusa.com/inertia-driven

This Wikipedia page shows some diagrams on the gas driven systems. Note that the page shows rifles, but its kind of the same science behind it. As you can see, the gas driven systems use the gas to drive back the bolt, which exposes the action to the burnt gasses, which leads to oil that becomes dirty faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-operated_reloading

I'm not well versed in Tristar, ATI or Escort. They might be fine shotguns, but personally I like to stick with the larger names due to parts availability and the abundance aftermarket accessories. I know CZ is well known in the skeet/trap/sporting clays community for their O/U's, but other than that I'm not sure.

I will say that the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are definitely not the nicest shotguns out there. But they will work just about everytime. They are a "Blue Collar" or working mans gun. You can find low end models (870 Express) or higher end ones (870 Wingmaster). Since I have an 870 Express, I will recommend to get one with the gun blue finish instead of the matte black. If you get the matte black then you'll be kicking yourself the one time you forget to wipe the gun down after a day in the field. It'll show tiny orange rust spots after a few hours........ Nothing a home metal refinishing kit couldn't fix though.

I don't know if this is true or not, but multiple people have told me that the 870 and 500 are the 2nd and 3rd most produced guns in the world. The AK-47 comes in first and that gun is known for its incredible reliability.

Whatever you choose, make sure to do your research. Ask your local gun shop for their opinions on the various weapons, then go to the next one down the road and ask the theirs. You might find various gun shops have different opinions based on what they carry stock of. Shoulder the guns and see if you can't shoot some various ones at the range. A lot of times the ranges might have their own guns for rentals. Fit and feel has a big effect and everyone is different.
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Unread 12-20-2013, 09:59 AM   #33
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CZ is (as you may know) a Czech brand. I've not fired their shotguns - but, if they're made anything like their pistols, they're top-notch - especially for the money!

Brno is another Czech maker - also excellent (love their rifles)
Most are rebranded Turkish Huglu.
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Unread 12-20-2013, 04:24 PM   #34
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Here is a good video showing how a Benelli Inertia Driven system works.

http://www.benelliusa.com/inertia-driven

This Wikipedia page shows some diagrams on the gas driven systems. Note that the page shows rifles, but its kind of the same science behind it. As you can see, the gas driven systems use the gas to drive back the bolt, which exposes the action to the burnt gasses, which leads to oil that becomes dirty faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-operated_reloading.
Stoeger is owned by Benelli now. its got the same gas drive system but a bit cheaper..
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Unread 12-20-2013, 06:49 PM   #35
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I'm going to horn back in here for a minute.
As a guy who grew up hunting, I've found three basic criteria apply to my firearms.
Reliability
Availability
Cost

Reliability is the number one priority. A firearm that misfires, is finicky, breaks easily or jams is nothing more than an expensive shovel handle. Remington, Browning, Benelli, and Winchester all produce excellent auto and pump guns that are very common to the market.

Availability. This not only pertains to the gun itself, but parts as well. Purchasing off brands or obsolete guns really limits your ability not only to repair the gun, but upgrade/modify it as well. Gun manufactures like Ithaca made excellent shotguns in there day, but many you find may be old and overused. Finding a stock or firing pin may become a chore not worth the purchase. Same goes for odd brands. Some have little known issues and getting the problem fixed may cost more than the gun is worth.

Cost. This is where the rubber really meets the road. Generally speaking, high end guns tend to be reliable, but paying 1500 bucks for a top of the line Winchester may not be the right choice.

Given that you are just breaking into the sport, I would suggest a low end model that has proven itself. Here is a PARTIAL list of solid shooters that can be had used in pawn shops and private sales. These tend to be reliable, but as with all used merchandise, can still be abused or overused, so a through inspection should be done, preferably with a knowledgeable friend in tow.

Auto loaders:
Remington 1100 series
Mossberg 930
Winchester (generally harder to find) 12,13,14 or 1500 or SX series
A little more expensive gun would be the Browning A5. IMO one of the best shotguns ever marketed. Unfortunately, they tend to be a bit more expensive.

Pumps:
Remington 800 series
Mossberg 500 series
Winchester SXP
Benelli makes a nice pump as well.

Virtually all of these can be had for 120 to 250 clams used (with a couple of notable exceptions, such as the A5). All are reliable if not abused. I prefer to purchase guns that can use interchangeable barrels and screw in chokes. These offer the most versatility, since as you begin to enjoy shooting, you will invariably wind up hunting upland gamebirds, waterfowl, squirrels, turkey's, and perhaps even slugging for deer.
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Unread 12-20-2013, 07:20 PM   #36
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Unread 12-22-2013, 01:57 AM   #37
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Yup, I absolutely love shooting my Super Nova. I am still going to get myself a Browning over/under pretty soon, just for shooting clay.
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