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Unread 12-17-2013, 02:34 PM   #16
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There are two styles of semi automatic shotguns; Inertia and gas driven. With gas driven systems there is a small tubein the end of the barrel that captures some of the expanding gasses. The tube runs back to the bolt and drives back the bolt to eject the spent shell and reload the new round. In inertia guns it is similar, but instead of capturing the gases, it uses the force of the round being shot through a system of springs to capture the energy, eject and reload. [/I]
Which style do you think is better? Any particular models which stand out?
That depends. Both function fine, but the gas operated style will tend to get dirty faster since it uses the gases from the burning power. Think about how your oil gets dirty with soot in your car. The more soot the dirtier it will become. For that reason alone personally I would look at inertia driven actions. But they do tend to be priced higher.

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Personally, I use my gun as a utility gun. This means it gets used for skeet, sporting clays, upland bird, duck, turkey and deer hunting. I like my pump because with the cold Michigan winters I know its not going to get sticky. Plus its easy to swap out barrels and chokes easily depending on what I am using it for that day. [/I]

Is it more difficult to swap a barellel on a semi than a pump action gun? I'd always figured that they'd be roughly equivalent given that I viewed the barellel as a separate component from the loading system. I also figured the choke was the same for a semi/ pump.
I do not own a semi auto myself, but would assume that the barrels are not easily interchangeable easily. With the gas driven actions, there is a gas tube that connects to the barrel. With my 870 I can swap from a 28" smooth bore with chokes to a 20" fully rifled barrel without chokes in about 20 seconds. Not sure if this is possible with most semis or not.

Chokes can be the same for a semi pump, but that depends on what size choke each has. Any barrel that uses a choke in the end of the barrel should be interchangable with various choke tubes. There are many different sized chokes depending on what you are doing. Make sure the thread patterns match the choke for your respective brand of shotgun. Heres a link descrining the different chokes and what they are used for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_(firearms)


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And last question. There is a gun store around here which generally seems to be buying/ refurbishing older guns. They are all gunsmiths, and offer lifetime warranties on their guns. I haven't read the fine print yet, so I don't know what the warranty applies to. They seem to know their stuff, but I'm just a little skeptical. Does this seem kosher to you guys?
Cheers all, thanks for putting up with my relative lack of knowledge.[/QUOTE]

That sounds ligit. I would tend to trust them if they put a warranty on their firearms.

As for the Winchester 1200 or 1300. If you can find one then I highly recommend buying it. They are not made anymore and the 1200 is regarded by a lot as the best shotgun made. That of course is opinion and not necessarily fact. My father has a 1200 and I'd take it in a heartbeat over my 870. Its just a manufactured a lot better than the current generation of 870s.

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Unread 12-18-2013, 06:35 PM   #17
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Things to consider:
How well you can shoulder and bring the shotgun to aim
Weight
Length of pull
Barrel length
Choke options
Caliber/gauge
Capacity
Bore size
Interchangeable barrels

Warranty
Stock material
Smoothness of action
Fit & finish
Serviceability

Unless you are on a really tight budget, go with a semi-auto. It'll reduce some of the recoil, and not having to pump or break open is just oh so nice.
I agree. Skeet uses different barrel lengths and chokes than trap or field shooting. Auto loaders (and pumps as well) run interchangeable barrels and most have screw in chokes. This gives a huge level of versatility with very little cash outlay.

Over/under's are nice guns, but are very cost prohibitive. They also tend to be out of there element when off the range.

Side by sides are bulky. I started out with a Stevens 16 gauge model 311. Fun gun, but slow to swing and I always felt it was a bit klinky.

Oddly enough, if you spend some time, you can find auto's used for a song. We have a number of shotguns (Browning's and Remington's), but for all around shooting and field work, we run Mossberg 500's. Stone reliable and dirt cheap, even new. I paid $130 at a pawn shop for mine, which was like new. I scored my boy's for $120 and it came with a vented/ribbed barrel (I don't think it had a box of shells run through it at the time). I believe you can score a Mossy as Wally World for about $250 new.
Here is a shot of the boy and his fiance plinking birds last week.
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Unread 12-18-2013, 10:53 PM   #18
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Here is a shot of the boy and his fiance plinking birds last week.
someone teach that woman what cheek weld is!
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Unread 12-18-2013, 11:21 PM   #19
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I shoot trap and skeet just fine with my 20 inch 870 super magnum. More fun with a pump IMO. I like the challenge more.
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Unread 12-19-2013, 02:24 AM   #20
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5-90: I can def see the advantage of a OU or a SxS, I've shot a beretta stone onyx and that gun was fantastic. My two principle reasons for staying away from a doubles barellel gun are (1) I feel that the doubles are generally more expensive to get because they're generally adorned with artwork/inlays, which raises the cost without adding really anything of value. Is it possible to get a more 'working mans' double barellel? I'm really looking for an all around utility shotgun which I can use for deer hunting, skeet shooting, and possibly home defense, which leads to my second point...(2) the limited capacity. Though I view it as unlikely, in a home defense situation/ or hunting I'd rather have more than 2 rounds available (though thats just instinct speaking, i have no idea in practice)

Ironworker- whats the principle difference between the R870 and the R1200/R1300?
I think there are some Russian SxS shottys that are decent - for some reason, "IZH" comes to mind. The Russians usually do make decent firearms (even thought some of their calibres suck - 9m/m Makarov comes to mind...) Closer to "working-man gun" for you, I think.

As far as your other question there (although not directed at me,) I don't know that Remington has a 1200/1300 shotgun. I know Winchester has a 1200/1300 - I had a 1200 that I took the pistol grip off of and fitted a full buttstock to it, and that essentially made it a 1300.
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Unread 12-19-2013, 04:45 AM   #21
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someone teach that woman what cheek weld is!
LOL,
I was waiting for that.
Actually, she had just fired and was pulling off the gun. She missed and the boy tracked the clay and all but ground sluiced it just before hitting the ground.....
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Unread 12-19-2013, 09:14 AM   #22
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I think my mind is pretty made up in terms of what I'll be buying at this point then: likely a used 12 guage semi-auto. At the end of the day, I guess I just view it as the most versatile. I'll check out pawn shops in my local area, but I'm not fully sure of what quality of weapon they'll be carrying, as well as whether or not pawn shops in NJ can actually sell firearms.

The local gunsmiths here have the following semi autos in stock right now: ATI TAC-SX2, CZ-712, Escort PS, Mossberg 935, Mossberg 930 (What's the difference here?) or a TriStar Viper G2. I'll admit I haven't heard of ATI, Escort or Tristar, so I have no idea if they actually make good weapons. I've heard of the CZ 75 in passing, so I have no idea if they make good stuff. Anyone have any experience with these models?
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I think my mind is pretty made up in terms of what I'll be buying at this point then: likely a used 12 guage semi-auto. At the end of the day, I guess I just view it as the most versatile. I'll check out pawn shops in my local area, but I'm not fully sure of what quality of weapon they'll be carrying, as well as whether or not pawn shops in NJ can actually sell firearms.

The local gunsmiths here have the following semi autos in stock right now: ATI TAC-SX2, CZ-712, Escort PS, Mossberg 935, Mossberg 930 (What's the difference here?) or a TriStar Viper G2. I'll admit I haven't heard of ATI, Escort or Tristar, so I have no idea if they actually make good weapons. I've heard of the CZ 75 in passing, so I have no idea if they make good stuff. Anyone have any experience with these models?
You really need to shoot a Benelli before you make up your mind. You will fall in love with it.
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You really need to shoot a Benelli before you make up your mind. You will fall in love with it.
I have a browning semi and my buddy has a Benelli semi. My Browning is a much better looking gun and it shots fine. His Benelli doesn't look as good but shots better than my Browning. I don't know what it is but there is a difference.
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You really need to shoot a Benelli before you make up your mind. You will fall in love with it.
We have a semi Benelli, SUCH a good gun to shoot even though it's in 20 gauge.
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A pump won't leave you chasing all over the field for your empties, until you move up to doubles.

I always shot skeet with this:

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My Remington 1100 looks sharp and classic and shoots clays pretty good too.


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I do not own a semi auto myself, but would assume that the barrels are not easily interchangeable easily. With the gas driven actions, there is a gas tube that connects to the barrel. With my 870 I can swap from a 28" smooth bore with chokes to a 20" fully rifled barrel without chokes in about 20 seconds. Not sure if this is possible with most semis or not. [/URL])
It's exactly the same set up for Remington semis as for an 870.
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Rem 870 hands down... I can cycle through it just about as fast as a semi auto, I got mine for my 16th birthday. Plenty of aftermarket suppliers for pretty much anything you could want for it.
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Rem 870 hands down... I can cycle through it just about as fast as a semi auto, I got mine for my 16th birthday. Plenty of aftermarket suppliers for pretty much anything you could want for it.
On the 870 note: I usually use my dad's 870 Wingmaster that he bought in 1979 to shoot trap. It looks almost new and has killed birds all over.
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been shootin a long time too. everyone has their "best gun". If ya are really mainly shootin skeet the over/under is the way to go. cheap but good? Yildiz from Academy Sports. You can get one pretty cheap. I got a friend who shot for the Air Force skeet team in his day and he loves his. he used to own a $7K O/U with tubes and all the accessories. Reliability, heck the 870 is bomb proof. nuf said. I have shot for the last few years a Stoeger 2000 semi auto. awesome gun. never jams, will shoot anything up to a 3in Mag and every time you pull the trigger it feels like an angle kissed your shoulder. got it for $425 at Dicks Sports before they lost their minds guns & ammo wise. I kill the hell outta skeet, sporting clays and dove with it.
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