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Unread 12-12-2012, 10:10 AM   #1
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For those with a hidden winch

I'm about to pull the trigger and do this. I'm wondering though if not spending the extra cash for a waterproof winch is a bad idea.

Those of you with hidden winches in the front bumper- has this been an issue for u? I'm worried about the low mounting elevation from the ground...?

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Unread 12-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #2
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I went with an X20 Comp series Smittybilt, but that's a decision you have to make. A splash of water isn't going to kill a winch, but I decided I would rather have the added security.
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Unread 12-16-2012, 01:40 PM   #3
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I have had the Superwinch EP9 in there coming up on 2 years now. She doesn't see much water living here in SoCal, but its been dipped a couple times. I hardly ever use it, but when I need it it always works. I just used it about a month ago and it worked beautifully! I had the AC blasting and just left the Jeep idling and neither the winch or the engine skipped a beat through the entire pull. It's an awesome winch with great power, low amp draw, and can be had at a decent price.
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Unread 12-17-2012, 11:06 AM   #4
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I'm looking at picking up an XRC8, but am worried about the lack of being waterproof. I do plan to relocate the solenoid up, higher in the engine bay. But I'm worried about how high the winch sits from the ground.

Maybe I'm over thinking it, I guess it does sit basically "inside" the front bumper which is a decent height, and I don't usually burry my jeep underwater. I know they can get wet and be ok, I was just worried the times I really need a winch would be when it's nose down in a river crossing and since that's the leading part of the jeep it will be too late by the time you realize u need to pull cable.
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Unread 12-17-2012, 12:10 PM   #5
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I would be more concerned about weight. Be sure to get a winch that is properly rated for the weight of our beasts!
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Unread 12-17-2012, 10:20 PM   #6
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Well at just under 5K lbs, 8K winch is more than 1.5 X my weight. Then factor in a snatch block for double pulls when needed and the fact that I haven't needed help yet, and I think I'll be ok with the 8K. And with about 50ft in straps already onboard to add to the roughly 50ft of cable reach while setup double- I live in Oklahoma... It's pretty rare to not have a tree to grab onto within 100ft
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I just know mine weighs in close to if not over 6k then add whatever gear I might have at the time plus people weight and it adds up fast. Having to pull the Jeep out of some nasty mud or fighting the weight up and over rocks is not an easy task for a winch. I like to know I can use a block, but I don't like to rely on one in case the situation doesn't allow it. I know not everyone likes to plan out the worst case scenarios though. And sometimes its just not practical to carry or equip ones Jeep accordingly! I would have prefered a 10-12k winch but I didn't think I could squeeze a good one in there.
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Unread 12-18-2012, 10:12 PM   #8
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You got me thinking, now I'm worried the 8k wont be enough! The mud here is clay based and doesn't let go!

Guess on a positive note (knocking on wood) she hasn't failed me yet and hasn't been stuck or unable to go where I told her too.
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I went with the XRC10 X20 Comp because its watertight and came with Synth line. I decided I wanted 10k because framing a almost 6k lb vehicle in the mud or sand is a tough pull and though I carry snatch blocks I would rather be safe than sorry. When I bought mine the price difference was only like $50 or something.
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Unread 12-23-2012, 06:14 PM   #10
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Just thought about this more, and checked the weight on mine... Over 6K lbs. looks like I'm going 10k or 12k on the winch if I can find one that I can make fit
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Unread 12-23-2012, 06:28 PM   #11
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Dang you're at 6000 lbs? A stock Hemi weighs around 4700 if I'm not mistaken. Do you have a lot of armor and carry a lot things in your trunk?
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Unread 12-23-2012, 07:27 PM   #12
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Dang you're at 6000 lbs? A stock Hemi weighs around 4700 if I'm not mistaken. Do you have a lot of armor and carry a lot things in your trunk?
Fully loaded with diesel and full armor...my wife and dog I weighed in at 6400 pounds....this was for a week camping trip.

A HEMI weighs about the same as the diesel.....just saying that weight adds up....
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Unread 12-27-2012, 05:03 PM   #13
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My door sticker on my fully opt'd '05 WK Hemi Limited says its GAVW is 6200lbs
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Unread 12-27-2012, 05:07 PM   #14
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Well you're not lifting it straight up in the air!

Pull might be 800 lbs in most cases.
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Unread 12-27-2012, 05:19 PM   #15
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Well you're not lifting it straight up in the air!

Pull might be 800 lbs in most cases.
Problem is winches are not rated for dead lift. They are rated for rolling line weight. What you're thinking of isn't a winch rather a hoist. Different animal.

And a Jeep stuck to its belly pan in gooey mud will ACT like 12,000 pounds when the winch has to not only pull the Jeep THROUGH the mud (pushing close to double the weight of the Jeep in mud out of the way in the process), but most people try to get up on TOP of the mud on the way.

So yes, it IS lifting it. And not straight up. It's pulling the Jeep up on top by pulling it sideways, which can increase the weight of the Jeep that the winch sees by several multiples by way of leverage (against the winch).

In the picture below, the winch is pulling along the red axis. The Jeep needs to move in the green axis. So for every inch the winch has to pull forward, it also has to impart 3 inches upwards, which you'd have to ask an engineering major what that works out to be, but I would imagine it multiplies the Jeep's weight by four.

This also applies to going over a rock or a log (anything that you have to climb over to move forward), which is why even with the double torque multiplier of 4 Lo, sometimes you can't get over an obstacle.
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