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Unread 12-13-2013, 03:54 PM   #1
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Silverblades on a Commander?

Couldn't find a picture. I assume its been done? I think I need to space slightly for caliper clearance?

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Unread 12-13-2013, 04:01 PM   #2
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From a WJ? I might be wrong, but I think you don't need a spacer
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Unread 12-15-2013, 06:46 PM   #3
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Would be nice to see if there are any other fatory jeep rims on an XK?... Ruibicons would be interesting to see I think.
Able to get a set for $200 locally (5 rims)... just cant figure if they would look good or not.
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Unread 12-16-2013, 07:12 AM   #4
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I had Moab's, tried them on and they would work with the 1/4" spacer. But the lines of the wheels just didn't look right with the straightlines of the XK.
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Unread 12-27-2013, 09:55 AM   #5
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So they fit great. Slightly close to the rotor top edge so i spaced them with two 1/32" washers per lug bolt. Work great and look pretty good I think especially for snow traction for a happy wife.

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Unread 12-28-2013, 06:42 AM   #6
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Washers on lug bolts?? Please take them off. Thats incredibly unsafe.

If you need to space them 1/8" get a wheel spacer. The washers dont achieve the same clamp force or load distribution.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 06:48 AM   #7
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Washers on lug bolts?? Please take them off. Thats incredibly unsafe. If you need to space them 1/8" get a wheel spacer. The washers dont achieve the same clamp force or load distribution.
X2!! Bora makes a good 1" spacer that you could use.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 08:26 PM   #8
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Happy wife happy life until her wheel falls off! Get those washers off of there, that is super sketchy. If they clear the brakes even by a millimeter without any spacers then there is no need for them, not to mention that is extremely dangerous. Even plate spacers that don't bolt on to the hub are ghetto
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The clamping force of the lug is where? At the bolt and area around it correct? Most of the area on the hub face of the wheel is open correct? Never had issues doing this before. Wheels falling off, come on the lugs are correctly torqued. They are 1-1/4" diameter fender washers and its a 1/2" lug bolt. Just put about 1200 miles on them this past week and no issues. At 1/16" they are thin enough to keep the wheel on the center bore also.
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Glad I don't travel to New York...

Too many surfaces in there to slide about which can very easily work the wheel loose.

If you're OK with it, be my guest but, don't come back here when your wheel(s) fall off.
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We're just trying to keep you safe, do what you want. Just remember to tell the insurance company you used washers as a spacer
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Unread 12-30-2013, 07:58 AM   #12
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The clamping force of the lug is where? At the bolt and area around it correct? Most of the area on the hub face of the wheel is open correct? Never had issues doing this before. Wheels falling off, come on the lugs are correctly torqued. They are 1-1/4" diameter fender washers and its a 1/2" lug bolt. Just put about 1200 miles on them this past week and no issues. At 1/8" they are thin enough to keep the wheel on the center bore also.
There're more to wheel design and load distribution than you're aware of. Even the ridges of those "open areas" is supporting load and resisting bending when cornering, as long as its flush against the hub surface like it's supposed to be.

What you're doing is not safe, period.
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Unread 12-30-2013, 08:08 AM   #13
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Is there proof anywhere? i haven't found any proof that washers are bad on a hub centered wheel. Its a 1/16" total spacing and hub centered what am I missing. In my searches I see people asking the same question and others answering the same way, but no proof of this causing a problem.

Now on lug centered wheels, yes understand. Thick washers that take the wheel off the hub, yes no good. But I'm centered on the hub and the lugs are torqued. At 1/16" of spacing on a 1/2"-20 thread I'm just over one less turn of the lug nut also.

I'm a reasonable person so I'll remove them later today, but can anyone prove that this would cause an issue. The hub center is ~1/4" long and figure a bit of the end is tapered. Also anything over an 1/8" spacing I would say longer studs are required, i would venture to say at least a a 1/2" of thread engagement is required, or 10 turns minimum
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Unread 12-30-2013, 08:18 AM   #14
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You can buy/download some of the SAE wheel specs and read though the load test requirements that wheels must pass and get an idea of how important full hub contact is. You can call tech support for any wheel manufacturer and ask them if its safe to use washers on the back of their wheels.

conversely, is there proof anywhere that what you're doing IS safe?

Wheel spacers aren't expensive; do it right and worry less
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Unread 12-30-2013, 08:25 AM   #15
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Is there proof anywhere? i haven't found any proof that washers are bad on a hub centered wheel. Its a 1/16" total spacing and hub centered what am I missing. In my searches I see people asking the same question and others answering the same way, but no proof of this causing a problem.

Now on lug centered wheels, yes understand. Thick washers that take the wheel off the hub, yes no good. But I'm centered on the hub and the lugs are torqued. At 1/16" of spacing on a 1/2"-20 thread I'm just over one less turn of the lug nut also.

I'm a reasonable person so I'll remove them later today, but can anyone prove that this would cause an issue. The hub center is ~1/4" long and figure a bit of the end is tapered. Also anything over an 1/8" spacing I would say longer studs are required, i would venture to say at least a a 1/2" of thread engagement is required, or 10 turns minimum
You are creating a potentially hazardous situation for that happy wife.

Without getting into a physics lesson, let's figure the surface contact area of a direct rim to hub mount versus putting washers between the two.

The reduction of contact area has a direct effect on the amount of friction between the rim and hub, effectively allowing a torsional "twist".

With any threaded connection, torsional rigidity (which is achieved through friction and pressure) is paramount.

Losing that rigidity or lessening it in any way creates a very weak link in what is a precisely designed chain, purpose-built to transfer torque to the ground.

You are also greatly increasing the stress on each lug, especially during heavy acceleration and braking.
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