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Unread 04-16-2014, 08:14 AM   #1
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Sad Yet Happy Day: Sold the CRD

My CRD is sold and going to its new owner later this week (will make a nice 1k mile long journey before it will be at its new home). The great thing was that I had over 5 interested people w/in 24 hours and am happy that a fellow racer contacted me first (I remember how fast I had to act when I wanted to get my CRD and the race to the dealer at that time). I won't go into detail as to what I originally paid and what I got for it (as I had a lot of maintenance done and did a lot of improvements and acquired many spares which I kept when towing) but the resale value on this thing is frickin awesome and my investment of spending on the diesel over the gas has paid off in spades in having to fuel up less often and getting 50% better mpg when towing over a Hemi)! I also had an extended warranty as this was my first diesel vehicle and a Jeep to boot (both first personally for me). My wife's family had several Jeeps (older grand cherokees and wranglers) but they were very unreliable and one caught on fire in their garage so I didn't want to take any chances. Mine had the usual problems onset by short sighted emissions bottlenecks and OEM design defects but all were addressed and the CRD never once left me stranded or questioned my purchase.

My best was a 28 MPG jaunt to the Ozarks from KC with the family to go mountain biking. My best towing was 22.1 mpg with my Spec Miata on the open trailer. My worst was a 15.5 mpg rush back to KC from Hallet towing the Miata again with 5 adults, gear and my dog buried in the back (poor Hobie) doing 70+ mph. We stopped in some small town to take a leak behind some dilapidated truck trailer and the guys with me were amazed I wasn't in the single digits or the CRD would just pull up some steep inclines with very little effort. Another great towing story as I was leaving the race track with another racer (both of us with full tanks) towing a similar setup with his FJ Cruiser. He had to stop for gas once and then fill up again as soon as he got home. I had 1/4 tank left (though my tank is 2 gallons bigger).

The great thing as well is the new owner is racer and all fast things enthusiast (I guess we flock together). I hope the new owner will chime in on his new to them family vehicle (their current is a Liberty CRD) and toy carrier as well.

Thanks to the following for their great help and support: Keith at GDE (how quick and painless this was to do this tune that was definitely worth it and I should have done it when I first got the CRD and damn that warranty for making me wait); Christian at CB Engineering for making the DPF delete pipes that fit like a charm (the combo of the GDE and the DPF delete pipe are amazing); Kolak for putting together one of the best stock upgrade brake packages and a must for those who tow as if your trailer brakes ever fail the stock WK (non SRT8) brakes are woefully inadequate; Chirpz / Scootr29 / and many others here who provided great guidance and assistance to us CRD owners.

So what is replacing it? Another diesel of course (WK2 Ecodiesel 4x4 Limited with off road II and lux package - thanks Woodhouse Jeep in Omaha). After towing with the diesel I can't go back to a gas - just too taxing hearing the engine at high RPM trying to make it up hill. I also found that my average MPG meets or exceeds EPA whereas my gas trucks rarely met EPA mpg. Another benefit is I no longer had to plan most pitstops at a gas station and instead would stop at scenic overviews and skip the gas station altogether.

The WK CRD Blog will remain up as I get over 100 hits a day on it and hope others will continue to use it for information. I will no longer update it but can if others are willing to provide info and edits. I will likely start a WK2 Ecodiesel Blog as well.

edit: forgot to mention pixelcodex for help with the actuator replacement on the turbo

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Unread 04-16-2014, 09:56 AM   #2
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Glad to hear your CRD was a great vehicle, sad to see you go.

I test drove the new WK2 diesel with that new 8-speed and found that if I was on and off the pedal in a parking lot, it would jerk somewhat violently. If you find that to be the case, would you report back?

Enjoy your new Jeep!
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Unread 04-16-2014, 10:04 AM   #3
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Glad you stay with a Diesel!!!
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Unread 04-16-2014, 11:05 AM   #4
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Thank you for putting the blog together, that's a very valuable resource for all of us! Good luck with the new Jeep and I can't wait to hear what you think about it compared to your old one!
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Unread 04-16-2014, 03:48 PM   #5
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Hello everyone. I'm the new owner of jaje's CRD. I'm new here but have been active on the LOST KJ CRD forum since 2005. We bought our KJ CRD new in 2005 and have over the years fixed all of its gremlins (GDE ECM and TCM tunes, EHM, Euro TC and pump, etc). Unfortunately the head gasket/warped cylinder head issue reared it's head for the 3rd time recently. So I decided to make the jump to a WK CRD both for more room (2 kids now) and the hope that the MB CRD will be more reliable than the VM-Motori. Also there is literally no one out here that knows how to work on the KJ CRD while MB diesel mechanics are common. I think most of my problems have been incompetent dealers trying to work on that motor.

jaje has already done everything I was going to do the WK so I'm looking forward to just driving it. I am adding a 4xguard belly pan to hopefully hide the DPF delete from the smog inspectors. Since this rig was never sold in Cali I'm hoping they won't notice. Though jaje is including the DPF with the deal so I can bolt it on every 2 years for my inspection if I have to.

My wife thinks I'm nuts to go w/ another Jeep CRD after our last one let us down. I thought about getting a 4runner or something but I enjoy the power and fuel economy of a diesel and a Touareg was out of budget. I'm a former motorcycle racer turned instructor so my trailer is smaller than jaje's but diesel still makes a big difference.

I'll also be introducing the WK to B100 (you know we're all hippies out here in NorCal)

So anyway... Hi!
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Unread 04-16-2014, 04:38 PM   #6
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Hi...you may want to rethink the B100 on the OM642 engine. From all the research i've done the pizeo injectors do NOT like veggie oil
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Hello everyone. I'm the new owner of jaje's CRD. I'm new here but have been active on the LOST KJ CRD forum since 2005. We bought our KJ CRD new in 2005 and have over the years fixed all of its gremlins (GDE ECM and TCM tunes, EHM, Euro TC and pump, etc). Unfortunately the head gasket/warped cylinder head issue reared it's head for the 3rd time recently. So I decided to make the jump to a WK CRD both for more room (2 kids now) and the hope that the MB CRD will be more reliable than the VM-Motori. Also there is literally no one out here that knows how to work on the KJ CRD while MB diesel mechanics are common. I think most of my problems have been incompetent dealers trying to work on that motor. jaje has already done everything I was going to do the WK so I'm looking forward to just driving it. I am adding a 4xguard belly pan to hopefully hide the DPF delete from the smog inspectors. Since this rig was never sold in Cali I'm hoping they won't notice. Though jaje is including the DPF with the deal so I can bolt it on every 2 years for my inspection if I have to. My wife thinks I'm nuts to go w/ another Jeep CRD after our last one let us down. I thought about getting a 4runner or something but I enjoy the power and fuel economy of a diesel and a Touareg was out of budget. I'm a former motorcycle racer turned instructor so my trailer is smaller than jaje's but diesel still makes a big difference. I'll also be introducing the WK to B100 (you know we're all hippies out here in NorCal) So anyway... Hi!
welcome...and I will be interested in the outcome of running B100....maybe pick up some new injectors just in case....
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Unread 04-16-2014, 05:05 PM   #8
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My CRD is sold and going to its new owner later this week (will make a nice 1k mile long journey before it will be at its new home). The great thing was that I had over 5 interested people w/in 24 hours and am happy that a fellow racer contacted me first (I remember how fast I had to act when I wanted to get my CRD and the race to the dealer at that time). I won't go into detail as to what I originally paid and what I got for it (as I had a lot of maintenance done and did a lot of improvements and acquired many spares which I kept when towing) but the resale value on this thing is frickin awesome and my investment of spending on the diesel over the gas has paid off in spades in having to fuel up less often and getting 50% better mpg when towing over a Hemi)! I also had an extended warranty as this was my first diesel vehicle and a Jeep to boot (both first personally for me). My wife's family had several Jeeps (older grand cherokees and wranglers) but they were very unreliable and one caught on fire in their garage so I didn't want to take any chances. Mine had the usual problems onset by short sighted emissions bottlenecks and OEM design defects but all were addressed and the CRD never once left me stranded or questioned my purchase. My best was a 28 MPG jaunt to the Ozarks from KC with the family to go mountain biking. My best towing was 22.1 mpg with my Spec Miata on the open trailer. My worst was a 15.5 mpg rush back to KC from Hallet towing the Miata again with 5 adults, gear and my dog buried in the back (poor Hobie) doing 70+ mph. We stopped in some small town to take a leak behind some dilapidated truck trailer and the guys with me were amazed I wasn't in the single digits or the CRD would just pull up some steep inclines with very little effort. Another great towing story as I was leaving the race track with another racer (both of us with full tanks) towing a similar setup with his FJ Cruiser. He had to stop for gas once and then fill up again as soon as he got home. I had 1/4 tank left (though my tank is 2 gallons bigger). The great thing as well is the new owner is racer and all fast things enthusiast (I guess we flock together). I hope the new owner will chime in on his new to them family vehicle (their current is a Liberty CRD) and toy carrier as well. Thanks to the following for their great help and support: Keith at GDE (how quick and painless this was to do this tune that was definitely worth it and I should have done it when I first got the CRD and damn that warranty for making me wait); Christian at CB Engineering for making the DPF delete pipes that fit like a charm (the combo of the GDE and the DPF delete pipe are amazing); Kolak for putting together one of the best stock upgrade brake packages and a must for those who tow as if your trailer brakes ever fail the stock WK (non SRT8) brakes are woefully inadequate; Chirpz / Scootr29 / and many others here who provided great guidance and assistance to us CRD owners. So what is replacing it? Another diesel of course (WK2 Ecodiesel 4x4 Limited with off road II and lux package - thanks Woodhouse Jeep in Omaha). After towing with the diesel I can't go back to a gas - just too taxing hearing the engine at high RPM trying to make it up hill. I also found that my average MPG meets or exceeds EPA whereas my gas trucks rarely met EPA mpg. Another benefit is I no longer had to plan most pitstops at a gas station and instead would stop at scenic overviews and skip the gas station altogether. The WK CRD Blog will remain up as I get over 100 hits a day on it and hope others will continue to use it for information. I will no longer update it but can if others are willing to provide info and edits. I will likely start a WK2 Ecodiesel Blog as well.
Good luck with the WK2....we have a 2012 ML350 diesel which is almost indentical and we love it....actually we will be picking up a 2014 ML350 diesel next week....
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Jaje, great write up. Thanks. I am envoius of you getting a new WK2.

Grywlfbg, welcome and if you ever have any questions let us know. I can't comment on the B100, but have been running B5 through B20 since I deleted the DPF and no problems.

I have test driven the WK2 several times. I like messing with the dealer so I can keep driving it and looking over the engine and crawling underneath it to see how much work the DPF delete will be. It has run great everytime for me. Not a huge fan of the turbo lag, but nothing a good tune and some other work won't handle. Don't get me wrong its better than a stock WK, but once you drive tuned you never go back. The new WK2's do ride pretty smooth.
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what did you end up selling it for? I saw the ad on CL, was listed pretty low, think I remember 16,900?
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Hi...you may want to rethink the B100 on the OM642 engine. From all the research i've done the pizeo injectors do NOT like veggie oil
Biodiesel isn't veggie oil. I agree that StraightVeggieOil/WasteVeggieOil should not be used in modern high-pressure injection systems. In fact putting oil under high pressure is exactly how they make Crisco which is not good for injectors. But biodiesel is refined so all the glycerin is removed. ASTM-spec biodiesel can be run in any diesel engine w/ no modifications.

There are only 2 things to be aware of. 1) biodiesel will gel at a higher temp than D2. And regular additives like powerservice don't work. But you can mix D2 and bio in any concentration. So when we drive up to go skiing we'll stop just before we hit the mountains and top of w/ D2. That dilutes the bio enough to not gel. 2) If you have not run high concentrations of bio before the bio will act as a solvent and clean out any gunk in your fuel tank which usually results in a series of clogged fuel filters until everything's cleaned out. I haven't experienced this myself as we started running B100 in our KJ immediately.

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welcome...and I will be interested in the outcome of running B100....maybe pick up some new injectors just in case....
Well luckily jaje is including some spares with the WK! But from what I've read about switching to bio in higher-mileage vehicles it's fuel filters you'll run through, not injectors.

I'll start it off on B20 for awhile, then splash blend to B50 for a few tanks, then B75, and finally B100.

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Good luck with the WK2....we have a 2012 ML350 diesel which is almost indentical and we love it....actually we will be picking up a 2014 ML350 diesel next week....
The WK2 has a VM Motori diesel like the KJ, not an MB like the WK.
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what did you end up selling it for? I saw the ad on CL, was listed pretty low, think I remember 16,900?
Yep, $16,900.
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The 2 happiest days of crd ownership?
The day you buy a crd and the day you sell your crd! Lol

Used crds are listed for around $20k in my area, depending on mileage and options.
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The WK2 has a VM Motori diesel like the KJ, not an MB like the WK.
I am aware that they are different motors, but the WK2 and ML350 share the same chassis......good luck with the B100 and I would like to see progress reports. I work for the largest diesel engine manufacturer in the world and there are reason(s) why we limit to B20. I have seen many modern fuel filters and injectors that have experienced B100 and it is not pretty.

I do applaud your taking the risk.....
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On its way to the west coast.
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