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Unread 11-25-2013, 10:15 PM   #421
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Unread 11-25-2013, 11:00 PM   #422
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Hmm, so this is how I see it.
First recall: actuators are the culprit, they replace them free of charge "have a nice day vehicle owner with your working 4wd"

Some time in between for jeep to realize.. Let's issue a recall for software to "fix" the same issue the actuators were fixing, but in reality it's to only make the vehicle call out actuators so customers have to pay for them to be replaced after that recall...

Second recall comes out: here is a software fix for your jeep. Here you go vehicle owner ( couple days later you go back to the dealer with 4lo not working) "hi vehicle owner, your jeep is saying your actuator is bad, when would you like to get taken an advantage of??"

Sorry... That's a basic rundown of how I see it. Until jeep is willing to pay for an actuator either as the recall or after the "software fix" I refuse to have it done.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 12:50 AM   #423
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Dealership just called to inform me that the transfer case motor is on backorder, without an estimated time of arrival! Service department guy (Bill) also informed me that we now have a 2 wheel drive jeep until the new transfer case motor comes in!!
You still have 4wd, just not 4lo. Everything in 4hi still works for me.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 01:05 AM   #424
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Hmm, so this is how I see it.
First recall: actuators are the culprit, they replace them free of charge "have a nice day vehicle owner with your working 4wd"

Some time in between for jeep to realize.. Let's issue a recall for software to "fix" the same issue the actuators were fixing, but in reality it's to only make the vehicle call out actuators so customers have to pay for them to be replaced after that recall...

Second recall comes out: here is a software fix for your jeep. Here you go vehicle owner ( couple days later you go back to the dealer with 4lo not working) "hi vehicle owner, your jeep is saying your actuator is bad, when would you like to get taken an advantage of??"

Sorry... That's a basic rundown of how I see it. Until jeep is willing to pay for an actuator either as the recall or after the "software fix" I refuse to have it done.

This is how I see it-

First Jeep rolls away after a remote start, they investigate and find a fried actuator. Not sure why it fried, but NHTSA is breathing down their neck, so they issue first notice.

After more investigating they find the cracked FDCM as the reason the actuator fried. Figure they can rewrite the software to fix saving them money.

Problem with that is, if crack has just started, or is extreme, or hasn't happened, will cause all different ranges of signals thru the FDCM. So now it has to be super sensitive with controlling. So any little variance, and the system locks down.
I honestly think the only fix is a new FDCM and back to the old flash.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 06:35 AM   #425
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Amen to that. Good thing I waited until the weather turned to ***** to find out I don't have 4WD.....

I've been driving for 24 years - never owned a foreign vehicle. In that time I've owned 5 jeeps, a dodge ram, and a Chrysler 300M - every one of them had something wrong with them that required dealership warranty work!

At what point should a reasonable person move on and buy a foreign brand?
Excuse me but isn't Jeep a foreign brand? Fiat!
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Unread 11-26-2013, 06:44 AM   #426
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Probably the most irritating part is the silence of Jeep Corp. about all of this. I am pretty sure they are aware. We get commentary from service managers, but they could be speaking truth or bull puckie. Service managers are even to slightly below used car salesman for pissing on your leg and telling you it is raining. The run on actuators to the point of causing back orders is telling us something. Either the actuator was the real cause of the recall, or the reprogram kills good actuators. If you go back and read the initial recall notice, before they came up with the reprogram fix, it was all about the actuator.
Let's also not forget that the recall was a software update to "fix" a cracked circuit board!
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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:05 AM   #427
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Has anyone had their FDCM replaced and fixed the problem?
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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:29 AM   #428
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My FDCM was replaced at the end of September. It left the dealer with 4low not working. Had to take it back the next day. Their fix lasted one day and the service 4wd light came back on. I just drove it like that for a while, then cleared it with my Flashpaq. That's lasted at least a month or more, then had a host of other problems with my Flashpaq (whole different story, I hate this damn Flashpaq), and had to clear the code again this week.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:39 AM   #429
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You still have 4wd, just not 4lo. Everything in 4hi still works for me.
No, you have all wheel drive. You get stuck, only one wheel will spin.



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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:54 AM   #430
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No, you have all wheel drive. You get stuck, only one wheel will spin.

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Go try it. My traction control still works. Might not on Quadra Drive. Only thing I have noticeably lost is 4lo.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 09:30 AM   #431
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No, you have all wheel drive. You get stuck, only one wheel will spin. Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App
Free owners manual at jeep.com and videos on how QTII and QDII works.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:29 PM   #432
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The dealer ordered something for mine(I forgot, either the shift motor or the control module) and it is on back order until Feb '14.

So how will Chrysler reimburse me for not having 4-low for 4 months? I bought a Jeep with a 2 mode transfer case and now it is a single mode. BS Chrysler!
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Unread 11-26-2013, 07:40 PM   #433
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The dealer ordered something for mine(I forgot, either the shift motor or the control module) and it is on back order until Feb '14.

So how will Chrysler reimburse me for not having 4-low for 4 months? I bought a Jeep with a 2 mode transfer case and now it is a single mode. BS Chrysler!
Looks like we're just screwed in this situation?
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Unread 11-26-2013, 11:03 PM   #434
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Just because I've had more than my far share of these FDCM modules apart and modified them to all sorts of wonderful things...

Where is the crack in the board located??



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Unread 11-27-2013, 06:55 AM   #435
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Just because I've had more than my far share of these FDCM modules apart and modified them to all sorts of wonderful things...

Where is the crack in the board located??


So you have 4wd low after the recall
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