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post #466 of 591 Old 09-17-2013, 01:19 PM
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I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

Do you want to know my ground to factory hitch measurement or ground to top of ball for the 6" and/or 10" drops?
I was after the height from ground to top of tow tongue (that tow ball mounts on) for both the 6" & the 10" drop.

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I was after the height from ground to top of tow tongue (that tow ball mounts on) for both the 6" & the 10" drop.

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Gotcha.

My factory receiver measures a hair under 27" ground to top of receiver tube.

My 6" drop measures just under or right at 21 inches ground to tongue.



My 10" drop measures right around 17.75" ground to tongue.




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post #468 of 591 Old 09-17-2013, 07:23 PM
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Gotcha.

My factory receiver measures a hair under 27" ground to top of receiver tube.

My 6" drop measures just under or right at 21 inches ground to tongue.



My 10" drop measures right around 17.75" ground to tongue.




Hope that helps!
Thanks Mike. Mine works out to be 16.5 inches. Works well for my 2 trailers & boat.

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So the brown truck delivered my 8" drop ball mount yesterday. Curt 10K lb GTW and 1K lb tongue - takes a 1.25" shank ball. Got it off Amazon for 37 bucks with free 2 day shipping. I had a 2" ball w/ 1.25" shank on the 6" drop so I swapped them out last night.

Today I set everything up with spares, step blocks, tools, recovery gear, yadayada.........pretty much everything I would tow/haul minus any other passengers and cooler etc.

This is the set-up with the 8" drop:



Sags the back by almost 2" but it pulls solid, smooth, and straight - feels very stable. Preliminary fuel econ is unsubstantiated just yet,
but the tow tune on the Superchip and tow/haul engaged will give me my best results. Don't know that I'll bother with a WDH but I'll have to see after towing a couple trips with it.
Right now I'm gonna say it's good to go.

Then I had to fuel up and get some groceries in this thing - literally.

Couldn't resist a little stocker stalking in the parking lot:


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post #470 of 591 Old 09-20-2013, 05:41 PM
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Hey Mike, did you check the rating on your new tow hitch?
I had trouble when I was looking for one with the right amount of drop.
The one I preferred had a rating of 2.5 ton. Ended up going with a Haymen Reece set up which is rated at 3.5 ton.

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Hey Mike, did you check the rating on your new tow hitch?
I had trouble when I was looking for one with the right amount of drop.
The one I preferred had a rating of 2.5 ton. Ended up going with a Haymen Reece set up which is rated at 3.5 ton.

Cheers, Craig
Yeah, like I mentioned above, the 8" drop has a gross trailer weight rating of 10,000lbs and a tongue weight rating of 1,000lbs. The 2" ball with 1.25" shank has an 8,000lb rating.

My trailer has a 7,000lb rated bulldog hitch and the trailer itself has a 7,000lb GTWR. Tandem 3500lb axles - brakes on both w/ a breakaway.

I know what you mean about the drop hitches being somewhat difficult to find with the higher ratings.

For example, my 10" drop is only rated for 5,000lb gross trailer & 500lb tongue. Don't think my set-up would break it - but - it does exceed the rating.

On the other hand, my 6" drop has a 12,000lb gross trailer and 1,200lb tongue rating.

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Trailered the XJ today. Tow tune with the Superchip, tow/haul mode, my brother and me, all gear. Round about 180 miles all in - got 12.4 mpg.

Not bad IMO considering with the dolly set-up I got just under 14 mpg.

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post #473 of 591 Old 10-19-2013, 05:19 PM
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So the brown truck delivered my 8" drop ball mount yesterday. Curt 10K lb GTW and 1K lb tongue - takes a 1.25" shank ball. Got it off Amazon for 37 bucks with free 2 day shipping. I had a 2" ball w/ 1.25" shank on the 6" drop so I swapped them out last night.

Today I set everything up with spares, step blocks, tools, recovery gear, yadayada.........pretty much everything I would tow/haul minus any other passengers and cooler etc.

This is the set-up with the 8" drop:



Sags the back by almost 2" but it pulls solid, smooth, and straight - feels very stable. Preliminary fuel econ is unsubstantiated just yet,
but the tow tune on the Superchip and tow/haul engaged will give me my best results. Don't know that I'll bother with a WDH but I'll have to see after towing a couple trips with it.
Right now I'm gonna say it's good to go.

Then I had to fuel up and get some groceries in this thing - literally.

Couldn't resist a little stocker stalking in the parking lot:

How does your grand do pulling the XJ?

Mine: 97, auto, 4" lift, locked 33s
Wife: 2008 WK limited 4x4 4.7l
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How does your grand do pulling the XJ?
It does great actually. Much better than I would have thought. Pulling wise it feels no different than when I would dolly the XJ. However, it is much smoother and more controlled - much. With the OME heavy duty springs my rear end sag is 2 inches by the tape measure with a load of approx 5800 lbs and a tongue weight of around 650lbs.

I have the tow group IV package and engage the tow/haul function, as well as run the tow tune on my Superchip and it gives me 12 to 12.5 mpg. Getting up to highway speeds from an on ramp will put me up into 3500-4000 rpms but once I level out at 65-70 mph it drops down to 1800-2000 rpms, cruise control set - and just go.

Aftermath from yesterday's trip - (I have the jack set on the trailer so it looks like I have zero sag):






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post #475 of 591 Old 10-20-2013, 11:20 AM
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looks like ya had quite a bit of fun

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looks like ya had quite a bit of fun
Yeppers - it was a good day. Sloppy, muddy, greasy rock - but a good challenge for wheelin.

I've said many times before - I don't like mud. I like good, dry trails and rock. Mud can be fun, don't get me wrong, but it's such a PITA to clean up. I've also said before - I like to keep my rigs clean. A filthy, muddy Jeep looks cool but looks won't get ya where you're going if ya know what I mean.

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We both share that sentiment! I hate mud too! But it does look like you had some fun

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We both share that sentiment! I hate mud too! But it does look like you had some fun
Unfortunately for me, in my region the climate and weather lends poorly to the preference
of little to no mud..... :-(

But yeah, 'twas a fun day!

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Thanks for the info! I've got a 2000 z71 that I use to pull my XJ, no trailer yet, i.e. uhual, so thoughts of being able to use the wife's new wk with the 4.7 has me dreaming of getting a quick car now

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Thanks for the info! I've got a 2000 z71 that I use to pull my XJ, no trailer yet, i.e. uhual, so thoughts of being able to use the wife's new wk with the 4.7 has me dreaming of getting a quick car now
The only reservations I'd have in your situation is the Uhaul trailer. They are usually pretty damn heavy.

My trailer weighs around 1700-1800 lbs and is a 16 foot deck so I have lots of room to position the XJ and play around with tongue weight. The stock tongue weight limit is listed on WKJeeps for the 4.7 with tow package at 720 lbs. I think it makes more sense that it would be 650 lbs (10% of the 6500 lb max pull). The OME heavy duty springs are definitely stiffer than the stock springs so I'd guess that gives me some leeway as well.

All that being said, the 4.7 can definitely tow a load.

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