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post #1 of 15 Old 07-25-2012, 01:29 PM Thread Starter
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Leveling MLLs with a BB

So I've come across a few things on the forum, but decided to start a sepearte new thread to see if I can get an answer more directly related to my issue right now... bear with me here....

I have an 08 4.7L V8 WK with a Daystar BB and stock shocks and struts...
Since the v8 is a little heavier in the front as you know, the daystar BB, which should be a leveling kit, is not level.. it still has a tiny bit of rake to it.. which I HATE. I am going to be replacing my shocks and struts in a few months and in doing so would like to take that opportunity to gain a little more lift..(an inch all around if possible) and at the same time and most importantly ..LEVEL my stance.
My current measurements are:
FRONT center hub to fender - 20.75"
REAR center hub to fender - 21"

Whatever I do shock and strut wise, I need to have .25" more up front in order to be level. I have narrowed it down to two options .. but not sure which of the 2 will get me more lifted best while being completely level..
Option A. Bilstein struts and 1 set of strut spacer up front with Bilstein shocks in rear. OR
Option B. Bilstein struts and 1 set of strut spacer up front with Monroe Load Levelers 643 in the rear.

I am leaning towards the MLLs for the extra height...I know the MLLs will be higher than the Bilsteins, but not sure how much more.. and the main thing I'm worried about is them giving me too much extra lift in turn giving me too much rake that the bilstein struts and strut spacers up front can't match to level it.. but in going with option B, the Bilsteins in the rear don't give much boost..(3/8", I believe) I'd be pleased with 22" both front and rear center hub to fender if posible..but am even better if I can safely end up at 22.5" both front and rear. Any idea which of the 2 options would help me lift and most importantly LEVEL my WK??

Is anyone running a BB with MLLs and Bilstein Struts with Spacers up front?
Can you post measurements before and after?
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post #2 of 15 Old 07-25-2012, 01:42 PM
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I believe budasac is running the set up youre thinking about, but with a RC BB. check out the tire/wheel stickie at the top of the section- should have some measurements. or check out his build thread. ive heard of the MLL giving you close to an 1.5" of lift in the rear.

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The stock length MLLs will yield roughly .75" extra lift. The longer F-150 model will give you roughly 1.25 - 1.5". (this is based on an empty cargo area). I would suggest you do your thing up front and see how she sits. If you like the stance after raising the front then go with the bilsteins in the rear. If you feel you need to lift the back a little then you can decide how much and get the appropriate MLLs.


Also, I started a thread for Lift Measurements a while back you might want to check out. Various rigs with different set-ups listing all their measurements. Might have some useful info for you.
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The stock length MLLs will yield roughly .75" extra lift. The longer F-150 model will give you roughly 1.25 - 1.5". (this is based on an empty cargo area). I would suggest you do your thing up front and see how she sits. If you like the stance after raising the front then go with the bilsteins in the rear. If you feel you need to lift the back a little then you can decide how much and get the appropriate MLLs.


Also, I started a thread for Lift Measurements a while back you might want to check out. Various rigs with different set-ups listing all their measurements. Might have some useful info for you.

Thanks for the suggestions.. I'd prefer to do it all at once though, so I'm trying to just figure which of the two options would boost me and level me at the same time... as for the neasurement thread, that helped a bit.. someone on there said they were running a daystar BB with 643 MLLs in the rear and Bilstein Hd struts up front and their measurements were.. 22" up front and 22.5" in the rear...
The front at 22" doesnt make sense to me.. that would mean Bilstein HD struts alone gave him a full 1" or so.. unless he was using strut spacers as well.. Not sure. I asked.

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As I understand it the Bilsteins will give you a slight lift due to the fact the hole in the stop tab at the bottom is in a slightly different location. I beleive it's only about .25" though.

I hear ya about doing it all at once, but the rear shocks are a 5 min swap. Better to do it right once then to guess and have to return/replace new parts.
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Thanks for the suggestions.. I'd prefer to do it all at once though, so I'm trying to just figure which of the two options would boost me and level me at the same time... as for the neasurement thread, that helped a bit.. someone on there said they were running a daystar BB with 643 MLLs in the rear and Bilstein Hd struts up front and their measurements were.. 22" up front and 22.5" in the rear...
The front at 22" doesnt make sense to me.. that would mean Bilstein HD struts alone gave him a full 1" or so.. unless he was using strut spacers as well.. Not sure. I asked.
if he got a full 1" then his stockers will blown/shot to hell.

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As I understand it the Bilsteins will give you a slight lift due to the fact the hole in the stop tab at the bottom is in a slightly different location. I beleive it's only about .25" though.

I hear ya about doing it all at once, but the rear shocks are a 5 min swap. Better to do it right once then to guess and have to return/replace new parts.
When I replace them, I think I will put the Bilstein HDs in the front with one set of rustys or JBA strut spacers.. this will probably boost my front from 20.75" to 21.5"-22" somewhere around there i would guess..sound about right? From there I will be at lets say for guessing purposes.. 21.75" in the front and my 21" in the rear and I can see how much more lift in the rear I need and get either MLLs 646,643s, or Bilstein HDs in the rear. If that were the case then i could get the MLL 646s. bc they add .75" you said, right?
You're right about doing it right the first time.. I guess I just dont want it to cost more..since a shop is doing the installs for me.. but I guess it would equal out to the same price in the end.. so might as well do that.. Im sure its fine to drive a few weeks with the front end higher anyway.

Also, anyone have any idea how much lower the front sits hub to fender on a 3.7L v6 as opposed to a 4.7L v8 in general?

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When I replace them, I think I will put the Bilstein HDs in the front with one set of rustys or JBA strut spacers.. this will probably boost my front from 20.75" to 21.5"-22" somewhere around there i would guess..sound about right? From there I will be at lets say for guessing purposes.. 21.75" in the front and my 21" in the rear and I can see how much more lift in the rear I need and get either MLLs 646,643s, or Bilstein HDs in the rear. If that were the case then i could get the MLL 646s. bc they add .75" you said, right?
You're right about doing it right the first time.. I guess I just dont want it to cost more..since a shop is doing the installs for me.. but I guess it would equal out to the same price in the end.. so might as well do that.. Im sure its fine to drive a few weeks with the front end higher anyway.

Also, anyone have any idea how much lower the front sits hub to fender on a 3.7L v6 as opposed to a 4.7L v8 in general?

You don't need to go back to the shop to have the rear shocks installed. They are probably one of the easiest parts on the vehicle to change. Unless you go with the longer MLL you really don't even have to pull the wheels off. Stock shocks can be changed in about 3 minutes in your driveway with a ratchet.
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I must be the exception somehow. Fender to hub I picked up 3 inches front and rear with the Daystar -- Bilstein/Monroe combo. I'm at 23 and 23.5

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I must be the exception somehow. Fender to hub I picked up 3 inches front and rear with the Daystar -- Bilstein/Monroe combo. I'm at 23 and 23.5
how many miles on your rig? the combnation of worn struts/shocks and replacing them with new could have gave your more than most when you installed them. how long have you had them in? my guess is you will settle around 2.5"..

btw, BB and 285s- one of my favorite combinations for the WK

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I must be the exception somehow. Fender to hub I picked up 3 inches front and rear with the Daystar -- Bilstein/Monroe combo. I'm at 23 and 23.5
Elfirebird - which BB lift did you use? I just bought a RC 2" Lift for mine...

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I must be the exception somehow. Fender to hub I picked up 3 inches front and rear with the Daystar -- Bilstein/Monroe combo. I'm at 23 and 23.5
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Elfirebird - which BB lift did you use? I just bought a RC 2" Lift for mine...
It's right there in the his post.
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It's right there in the his post.
Oh right - sorry - must have breezed over that - and I looked too... going blind

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Oh right - sorry - must have breezed over that - and I looked too... going blind
lol.... no worries.
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how many miles on your rig? the combnation of worn struts/shocks and replacing them with new could have gave your more than most when you installed them. how long have you had them in? my guess is you will settle around 2.5"..

btw, BB and 285s- one of my favorite combinations for the WK
It has right at 80500 miles. I havent measured it since the initial, so its possible.

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