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Unread 03-28-2007, 07:11 PM   #1
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Jeep Patriot or Commander? which would you get to off road in?

Just found out about the Patriot now i'm having issues between selecting if i like the commander or the Patriot. Which do you guys think would be the better off roader?

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Unread 03-28-2007, 07:16 PM   #2
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If you really want to off road, just bite the bullet and get a Rubicon. Sounds like you want a 4 door, and you're in luck, they make the unlimited now. Probly the best off the showroom floor off-roader available for less than $85K.
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Unread 03-28-2007, 07:39 PM   #3
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Patriot or a Commander? There is a heck of a price/size difference between the two. You are basically comparing a Patriot/Compass/Caliber size suv with a Yukon/Expedition/Durango type of suv. There not even close in class. They are both nice in there own ways. If you want to go off roading buy a Wrangler or a used Cherokee. If you want a grocery hauler with lots of room then buy the Commander. If you want good fuel economy and size is of no issue buy the Patriot.
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Unread 03-28-2007, 08:28 PM   #4
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Better off-roader? I'd have to go with the Commander with either QT-II or QD-II. Both are far superior to the Freedom Drive II, which won't even be released until at least fall. And the QT and QD both have a true low gear, not just a different transmission gear. (Patriot with FD-II has a CVT, so I'm saying tranny figuratively)

Drive both and see which you like.
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Unread 03-28-2007, 11:38 PM   #5
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Either one probably has strengths and weaknesses.

The Commander looks big, but remains relatively manueverable. Depends also on how difficult you plan to off road. My brother does okay with his Liberty, but he does not have the clearance or confidence that I have in my Commander. But his is stock, and I have a mild lift also.

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Unread 03-29-2007, 08:29 AM   #6
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how 'bout more of a midsize? Get a wk with QD-II and a v8. will have a better 4x4 system than the patriot and will have almost as much room as the commander w/out all the exterior bulk.
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Unread 03-29-2007, 12:35 PM   #7
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This is a real hard decision… I4 or V8? Give me a V8 any day. So it gets 2mpg less, big deal, its a JEEP after all.
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Unread 03-29-2007, 03:52 PM   #8
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an XK is not the same size as a Tahoe or Expedition. it is nothing more than a WK redressed and little longer. in all reality, if you were going to compare sizes the XK is closer to an Explorer than anything else. which, by the way, is a midsize. (no offense to the XKers out there-i love the look)

as to which is more capable offroad: i guess it depends on the terrain. the Patriot (sorry don't know the lettered name) has all wheel independent suspension, so i'm thinking if you are doing alot of sand/desert/baja style racing the Patriot would be really good there. kind of like a true mini-hummer.

the XK, well it does have a better low range and with the ELDS would probably be better for trails and small rocks. plus it at least has a solid axle on the rear for decent articulation.
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Unread 03-29-2007, 11:07 PM   #9
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Go drive both. If you can pass up a HEMI, you are stronger than I. I love the HEMI, it's downright addictive.

Sure, we 5.7L and 4.7L probably all look at the gas mileage occasionally. (Here's a hint: MPG sucks!) But when it's time to go to sleep, it's fun knowing there is a HEMI waiting for you in the morning.

I've been impressed with the Commander offroad...Here it is climbing the Gold Mountain Trail...



This red full size GMC cracked it's oil pan on one of the rocks, but me and my Commander followed it up with no issues, much to the surprise of onlookers.



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Unread 03-29-2007, 11:38 PM   #10
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Yeah, my last SUV was a supercharged 2001 Tahoe and the size is not even close. The Jeep is much easier and more capable offroad. And it's also more fun to drive on road.
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Unread 03-30-2007, 05:43 PM   #11
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I have a bunch of Jeeps, but I have taken my wife's 2007 Commander all over the place. I lead a group of 19 rigs all over Death Valley on President's Day weekend. That knocked the heck out of the adjuster bolts on the front lower control arms (A-arms). Had boat loads of fun - have to say, and very, very comfortable.

Last weekend, I went out with my Jeep club and did a snow run on the beginning of the Rubicon Trail by Airport Flat. Had a great time - got stuck about 20 times (I think my buddies posted movies up on You Tube) and had to be tugged out. Forded Girlee Creek which was a good 2 to 2-1/2 feet deep. Made for impressive photos.

Honestly though, the Commander - as nice as it is, is a family station wagon. It is not a mighty, mighty 4x4. I gave it a little lift and put rock rails on it - but that's not enough. I would concur with previous posts who mentioned a Rubicon - or get a Wrangler and build it up properly....or a CJ and really go to town (that's my preference).

I have been traveling with one of my fellow club members, and she has done a really nice job building up a Liberty. She has a nice lift and 33" tires, lights, front bumper, winch and racks inside and on top. She does not do really hard core stuff, but she scoots around just fine and has a super time doing it.

Looking underneath a Patriot - I think you would be getting into a lot of trouble taking that too far from pavement.
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If you really want to off road, just bite the bullet and get a Rubicon. Sounds like you want a 4 door, and you're in luck, they make the unlimited now. Probly the best off the showroom floor off-roader available for less than $85K.
What is the best showroom off-roader for $85K?

Just curious...
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Unread 03-31-2007, 07:48 AM   #13
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MB G-500, although i think it cost more than $85K. The Rangie comes in this price range as well, but i don't really think it is the best off-roader out there. a used H1?
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Unread 03-31-2007, 10:48 AM   #14
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I was thinking of the now discontinued LR Defender, used H1, even the RR supercharged with there overcomplicated 4wd system with the "terrain control". And even the MB G-wagen. These all use more complicated systems, which usually cause more problems than they are usually worth.

That being said, I'd rather drive a Rubi or my GC, and be able to also afford a house, gas and insurance, than drive an overpriced emblem around, and be scared to use the damn thing as it was built for. (bad run-on sentence, I know.)
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Unread 03-31-2007, 11:26 PM   #15
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The Land Rover Defender would have been sweet. Now still selling close to what they retailed for 10 years ago.
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