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Unread 03-15-2015, 08:24 PM   #1
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Headlight upgrade-projectors

http://www.carid.com/2005-jeep-grand...ts-264122.html

Ive been eyeing these for a long time now. Is anyone else on here familiar with them. Are they good reliable lights. Better than stock. Any advice would be much appreciated before i go waste my money. Thanks.

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Unread 03-16-2015, 06:18 AM   #2
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I have them. They use the same type bulbs as stock. IMO the projector low-beam is as good as stock, the high-beam is a little less than stock. But thats regular bulbs in projector housings, if you get the ballasts and HID bulbs to go in to the projectors they will probably be better than stock. Just havent gotten around to that yet myself because theyre good enough for me for now.
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Unread 03-16-2015, 06:45 AM   #3
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I have them. They use the same type bulbs as stock. IMO the projector low-beam is as good as stock, the high-beam is a little less than stock. But thats regular bulbs in projector housings, if you get the ballasts and HID bulbs to go in to the projectors they will probably be better than stock. Just havent gotten around to that yet myself because theyre good enough for me for now.
I'm pretty sure those are not a hid projector housing, they're meant for your standard bulbs like what you're running
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Unread 03-16-2015, 06:55 AM   #4
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The housing can take the HID's, they offer the upgrade to HID when you buy the bulbs. I just put them on my wife's TJ and I like the way they look during the day instead of the boring standard bulbs, I have not made a determination on night brightness yet. You can also wire the blue bulb on the side to your parking lights or I wired it t ignition and tied it to LED's that I wrapped around the outside of the bulb like halo's. For the price I think they update the "face" nicely.
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The housing can take the HID's, they offer the upgrade to HID when you buy the bulbs. I just put them on my wife's TJ and I like the way they look during the day instead of the boring standard bulbs, I have not made a determination on night brightness yet. You can also wire the blue bulb on the side to your parking lights or I wired it t ignition and tied it to LED's that I wrapped around the outside of the bulb like halo's. For the price I think they update the "face" nicely.
Yes you can put hids In them, but the projector bowl for those headlights are meant and designed for halogen bulbs. To correctly run hids, either retrofit or get some 08+ projector headlights. Also to the OP, if you are set on getting those, they can be had way cheaper on ebay.
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Unread 03-16-2015, 10:52 AM   #6
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Yes you can put hids In them, but the projector bowl for those headlights are meant and designed for halogen bulbs. To correctly run hids, either retrofit or get some 08+ projector headlights. Also to the OP, if you are set on getting those, they can be had way cheaper on ebay.
Ok so educate me, what does that mean that the "bowl" is not HID friendly? What are the cons to upgrading to the HIDS?
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Unread 03-16-2015, 01:09 PM   #7
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Ok so educate me, what does that mean that the "bowl" is not HID friendly? What are the cons to upgrading to the HIDS?
The reflectors are designed for a standard halogen bulb, and do not function to aim HID bulbs properly. This results in blinding other drivers and negatively effecting your own vision as well.
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Unread 03-16-2015, 11:47 PM   #8
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Could you possibly find me a link for hid friendly projectors that look like the ones i put up on the original post. If they exist. Other wise ill just get the standard projectors and put a 6000k bulb in em instead of the stock 4200k ish whatever lol.
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Unread 03-17-2015, 12:35 AM   #9
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Ok here's what I know from experience, I have had these same housing on my 06 Wk since about 2008, so almost 7 years now. They can and should be used with HID bulbs with ballast.

Your signature says you have an 05 and retrofitting OEM projectors from an 08-10 is not just plug and play. The housing have a different shape on the bottom in the 05-07 years as compared to the 08-10 years. That doesn't mean it can't be done if your up for the task.

My housings have 9006 35w HID 5000k bulbs on the low and regular 9005 halogens on the highbeams.

HID bulbs have a sharp cutoff line so they can easily blind oncoming traffic when the line crosses the other persons eye (It makes it look like you flashed the high beams when infact you didn't) this usually happens when you drive over a speed bump or railroad tracks and your lights aim up then come back to level. This is easily adjustable with an open ended wrench and the adjustment screw on the back. You tube has videos showing how to aim them. You just park in a flat surface facing a wall a specified distance away and physically measure where the line is then adjust.

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The biggest problem with this is that you're buying something from CARID.com.

Good luck with that.
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The reflectors are designed for a standard halogen bulb, and do not function to aim HID bulbs properly. This results in blinding other drivers and negatively effecting your own vision as well.
What you are talking about is non-projector housings where the reflector has multiple focus points to create a beam pattern. There is no beam pattern in the reflective part of a projector, it is a bowl. The cutoff you refer to is handled by the lower cutoff shield. Projectors are specifically designed for HIDs, even though you can use a standard bulb in them. The fact these do not come with HIDs and ballasts is purely price.

For reference to my experience with projectors and HIDs, you can search my posts and you'll find I was one of the first to do a full on retrofit in a TJ before all the swap in housings.

Still dont trust me? Call TheRetrofitSource.com and they'll convince you.
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What you are talking about is non-projector housings where the reflector has multiple focus points to create a beam pattern. There is no beam pattern in the reflective part of a projector, it is a bowl. The cutoff you refer to is handled by the lower cutoff shield. Projectors are specifically designed for HIDs, even though you can use a standard bulb in them. The fact these do not come with HIDs and ballasts is purely price.

For reference to my experience with projectors and HIDs, you can search my posts and you'll find I was one of the first to do a full on retrofit in a TJ before all the swap in housings.

Still dont trust me? Call TheRetrofitSource.com and they'll convince you.
I've spent some time perusing HIDplanet.com and theretrofitsource.com.


Halogen projectors aren't designed with HIDs in mind. I have two vehicles with factory halogen projectors, and pnp HID's in them are not ideal, though I have considered it.
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Well, so far all this thread has done is confuse me and i don't know what to do. Could i just buy the projectors i found. And put better halogens in? any thoughts where i should by them and what halogens i should get? Also whats wrong with car id?!?!?!




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http://www.amazon.com/Spyder-Auto-PR...ghts+2005+jeep
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Well, so far all this thread has done is confuse me and i don't know what to do. Could i just buy the projectors i found. And put better halogens in? any thoughts where i should by them and what halogens i should get? Also whats wrong with car id?!?!?!




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http://www.amazon.com/Spyder-Auto-PR...ghts+2005+jeep
Whats wrong with your current headlights? The best lowish budget upgrade there is is HIR bulbs in the factory housings.

Otherwise I recommend retrofitting HID's which is likely to cost ~$250 for materials and requires you to rip apart your factory lenses, or buy an extra set...

Do this:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/w...grade-1448023/

Spyder makes cheap headlights, heres the amazon review:

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Construction quality is not very good. Not even just good. They look awesome, very cool appearance, but I never would have bought them if I had paid more attention and noticed that they use a H1 as the highbeam. Its outdated, throws terrible light and is a poor design. The projector lens was a very tight fit for my lamp and one broke free as I was installing the lamp. The housing itself broke free of the adjuster. I had to get it back together and basically just don't think you should buy these headlight assemblies. There are other options out there, with similar looks that might be better options.
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As others have mentioned, the spyder brand stuff can be pretty cheap. Although Ill admit I have been thinking about getting their LED tail lights. Plus I think those headlights are ugly. Have you seen them lit up? The little 3 running lights above the high beam look like eyebrows. Also the turn signal is moved to the top, above the lights, which looks strange to me. Personally I hate them, but everyone has their own opinion

The deal breaker for me is you lose the classic shape of the Oo oO. I think the stock headlight design looks the best. The "peanut eyes" I like them. Especially painted.

I would go with oem projector housings.
If you want black ones go with these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-2010-Je...6a2bfe&vxp=mtr

These are for 08'+
But they will fit an 05' with a small amount of work. I believe Omelet did it with his. But you pretty much just have to make a something to cover the small curved gap at the bottom. Sort of like the stillen headlight covers.
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