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Unread 05-03-2012, 10:29 AM   #16
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aaaaahhh thank you. here is what it looks like side view. 285's with 1.5" spacers. which are a must. i will get photos up tonight when i get home of what i did to the front fender plastic

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got a little rubb in this pic on the left rear lol.
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I wouldn't be so quick to downloplay the practicality of 285's on a 2" lift or less. For those who wheel 3x's a year, then 285's are not in your best interest. But if your on the trail once a month or more (at least that is my justification), it has it's advantages and it's simple really. Bigger meats add clearance while enabling you to traverse larger obstacles. It can be the differences between your tire acting like it's hitting a wall, or it acting like you just jumped over a rock.

How useful is it on 3.7's w/out 4lo? That's something that I'm still testing. trying to get out to Uwharrie on a dry day so I can do some rocks.
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Unread 05-03-2012, 12:35 PM   #19
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I wouldn't be so quick to downloplay the practicality of 285's on a 2" lift or less. For those who wheel 3x's a year, then 285's are not in your best interest. But if your on the trail once a month or more (at least that is my justification), it has it's advantages and it's simple really. Bigger meats add clearance while enabling you to traverse larger obstacles. It can be the differences between your tire acting like it's hitting a wall, or it acting like you just jumped over a rock.

How useful is it on 3.7's w/out 4lo? That's something that I'm still testing. trying to get out to Uwharrie on a dry day so I can do some rocks.
There's no doubt bigger meats will get you over bigger stuff, but like I said in my first post in the thread: it's a catch 22 IMO. Take your rig for example, AJ, would you have put 285's on if you hadn't gained more room in the wheel wells with the Load Levelers?
Since my lift install back in Sept. I've been out at least once a month on the trails. I have to say the OME HD/265's is a good combo - I def want to go to 285's but right now that seems like it would compromise my wheel wells (maybe it wouldn't - I don't know). I had some slight to moderate rubbing f/r on the trails before I modded the p/w and rear fender. Each time out I have tried new things and pushed a little more than the time before. To the point the p/w and rear fender mods were inevitable. But I see guys w/ bb's adding MLL's to get a good stance and they look great with 265's - it just seems 285's would fill up so much of the wheel well that there wouldn't be room for movement and now the suspension isn't being maximized. (Although andrew posted some pics with nice flex on 285's).
I don't know, this is a great thread and discussion and I'm def still learning what is possible and what those possibilies are capable of - I just think with my current set-up 285's would get stuffed and rub all the time out on the trails.
But then again........I can't say with certainty unless I tried it.
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Unread 05-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #20
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There's no doubt bigger meats will get you over bigger stuff, but like I said in my first post in the thread: it's a catch 22 IMO. Take your rig for example, AJ, would you have put 285's on if you hadn't gained more room in the wheel wells with the Load Levelers?
Since my lift install back in Sept. I've been out at least once a month on the trails. I have to say the OME HD/265's is a good combo - I def want to go to 285's but right now that seems like it would compromise my wheel wells (maybe it wouldn't - I don't know). I had some slight to moderate rubbing f/r on the trails before I modded the p/w and rear fender. Each time out I have tried new things and pushed a little more than the time before. To the point the p/w and rear fender mods were inevitable. But I see guys w/ bb's adding MLL's to get a good stance and they look great with 265's - it just seems 285's would fill up so much of the wheel well that there wouldn't be room for movement and now the suspension isn't being maximized. (Although andrew posted some pics with nice flex on 285's).
I don't know, this is a great thread and discussion and I'm def still learning what is possible and what those possibilies are capable of - I just think with my current set-up 285's would get stuffed and rub all the time out on the trails.
But then again........I can't say with certainty unless I tried it.

I only rub when flexing hard like that. i do not have MLL's. have Bilstiens. on the trails its smooth sailing.
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Unread 05-03-2012, 12:53 PM   #21
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I only rub when flexing hard like that. i do not have MLL's. have Bilstiens. on the trails its smooth sailing.
See - that's the real world feedback kind of stuff that trumps my hypothesizing
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Unread 05-03-2012, 12:56 PM   #22
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There's no doubt bigger meats will get you over bigger stuff, but like I said in my first post in the thread: it's a catch 22 IMO. Take your rig for example, AJ, would you have put 285's on if you hadn't gained more room in the wheel wells with the Load Levelers?
Since my lift install back in Sept. I've been out at least once a month on the trails. I have to say the OME HD/265's is a good combo - I def want to go to 285's but right now that seems like it would compromise my wheel wells (maybe it wouldn't - I don't know). I had some slight to moderate rubbing f/r on the trails before I modded the p/w and rear fender. Each time out I have tried new things and pushed a little more than the time before. To the point the p/w and rear fender mods were inevitable. But I see guys w/ bb's adding MLL's to get a good stance and they look great with 265's - it just seems 285's would fill up so much of the wheel well that there wouldn't be room for movement and now the suspension isn't being maximized. (Although andrew posted some pics with nice flex on 285's).
I don't know, this is a great thread and discussion and I'm def still learning what is possible and what those possibilies are capable of - I just think with my current set-up 285's would get stuffed and rub all the time out on the trails.
But then again........I can't say with certainty unless I tried it.
Catch-22 indeed. Essentially it is a bit of a sacrifice of wheel travel upwards to gain ground clearance at the differentials. People are gonna do what they wanna do anyways, right??

I know what I'm doing... placed the wheel tire order today... Be next friday before my wheels get here, but tires on tuesday!
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I wouldn't be so quick to downloplay the practicality of 285's on a 2" lift or less. For those who wheel 3x's a year, then 285's are not in your best interest. But if your on the trail once a month or more (at least that is my justification), it has it's advantages and it's simple really. Bigger meats add clearance while enabling you to traverse larger obstacles. It can be the differences between your tire acting like it's hitting a wall, or it acting like you just jumped over a rock.

How useful is it on 3.7's w/out 4lo? That's something that I'm still testing. trying to get out to Uwharrie on a dry day so I can do some rocks.
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There's no doubt bigger meats will get you over bigger stuff, but like I said in my first post in the thread: it's a catch 22 IMO. Take your rig for example, AJ, would you have put 285's on if you hadn't gained more room in the wheel wells with the Load Levelers?
Since my lift install back in Sept. I've been out at least once a month on the trails. I have to say the OME HD/265's is a good combo - I def want to go to 285's but right now that seems like it would compromise my wheel wells (maybe it wouldn't - I don't know). I had some slight to moderate rubbing f/r on the trails before I modded the p/w and rear fender. Each time out I have tried new things and pushed a little more than the time before. To the point the p/w and rear fender mods were inevitable. But I see guys w/ bb's adding MLL's to get a good stance and they look great with 265's - it just seems 285's would fill up so much of the wheel well that there wouldn't be room for movement and now the suspension isn't being maximized. (Although andrew posted some pics with nice flex on 285's).
I don't know, this is a great thread and discussion and I'm def still learning what is possible and what those possibilies are capable of - I just think with my current set-up 285's would get stuffed and rub all the time out on the trails.
But then again........I can't say with certainty unless I tried it.
i can see where both of you are coming from... but for arguements sake a 285could be the difference between running a blue and running a green trail.....

for the novice, occasional wheelier i dont think thats a bad thing but for the more extreme off roader i think it could be a problem but then again what MAJOR off roader is pushing a BB?.... i mean heck i would be a dumba** for even attempting to wheel some of the trails i see you guys running in my bb.

i guess the form does follow function but idk i think this could be one of those loop holes
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There's no doubt bigger meats will get you over bigger stuff, but like I said in my first post in the thread: it's a catch 22 IMO. Take your rig for example, AJ, would you have put 285's on if you hadn't gained more room in the wheel wells with the Load Levelers?

Absolutely! The ONLY reason I added MLL's was to counter the immense amount of weight from skids, and gear in my cargo. I always tell folks this... but Chris (Jager) was sporting 33x12.5's with his BB lift before he decided to go for the 8" lift.
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Here is just two pics... mind you i'm not disconnected in the rear. And i'm not rubbing in this pic at all. And I have room to spare!


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your running spacers there too right aj?

looks like if you really wanted to... you could stuff a couple more inches of flex in there
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your running spacers there too right aj?

looks like if you really wanted to... you could stuff a couple more inches of flex in there
yeah... the 1.5" Spidertrax.
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Absolutely! The ONLY reason I added MLL's was to counter the immense amount of weight from skids, and gear in my cargo. I always tell folks this... but Chris (Jager) was sporting 33x12.5's with his BB lift before he decided to go for the 8" lift.
Yeah, I remember you mentioning in your build thread the burdon of weight from the armor and your garage shop of assorted tools being the reason for the longer rear shocks.

I was just asking because I didn't know if throwin the 285's on was a byproduct of the boost the Monroes gave.......I mean if they gave you more room why not? You don't have strut spacers up front right?

Your pics are another testament to real world info and feedback.
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Here is just two pics... mind you i'm not disconnected in the rear. And i'm not rubbing in this pic at all. And I have room to spare!


you have sawys on and no rub? hmmm you have MLL's? also it looks like you are on flat ground. pictures always look screwy.
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I was just asking because I didn't know if throwin the 285's on was a byproduct of the boost the Monroes gave.......I mean if they gave you more room why not? You don't have strut spacers up front right?
No spacers up front, I bought some but ended up not installing them.

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you have sawys on and no rub? hmmm you have MLL's? also it looks like you are on flat ground. pictures always look screwy.
Sway bars are connected, MLL's are installed. I'm not sure what you mean. the rear is on flat ground. But, the front driver-side wheel is going up the hill, hence the compression on rear passenger-side.
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