[emayer32]

i could tell that h2 was really stuff when the old throw a rock in front of the tire trick didnt work lol what an idiot

[crcj7]

Originally Posted by winkosmosis

Remember, before the Hummer brand was created and started competing with Jeep, Jeeps had tiny tires, weak axles, low ground clearance, no skids, and not even recovery hooks. They weren't offroad vehicles and Chrysler knew it. That's how "Jeeps are built not bought" came about... For decades you couldn't buy any Jeep with more ground clearance than a Dodge Caravan. Hummer embarassed Jeep into building offroad vehicles.

if i had a smaller **** i would deff. get a hummer . chrysler dident own jeep for a long time assclown ... ifs sucks compaired to a dana 35 if you wheel it it will brake i have been there rebuilt the front end on a ifs chevy i have 2 times . all jeep cjs and wranglers have skid plates and most have tow points .im not even gona comment on the not offroad part ahahahahaha Wow hes probaly just bored waiting to dig his hummer out ...

[JDePietro]

I know better honest, I just can't help but get sucked into this argument.

I do not think its really fare to compare a H2 to a Wrangler or a XJ. The H2 had a niche in the market and it wasn't really for someone who would do the kind of stuff that some Wrangler and XJ owners prefer. A much better comparison could be had with the newer Grand Cherokees (IFS). With the limiting capabilities of IFS, and a huge Suburban like chasis I don't see the H2 being a real contender. Break over angles, and trail size as well as the weight factor just limit what you can readily handle.

The H1 is a very serious and capable truck but again I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The H1 has very strong IFS and RFS system but no matter how you cut the cake there is only so much contortion they can take. In short you will never have the same amount of flex, and while upward travel isn't that big a deal if you can't reach the ground you will not have any traction. What hangs the H1 up more times than not is getting high centered. Having a rock or stump or other in the center line of the vehicle especially if under one of the axles puts it out of commision. Mud in large quantities will also create the same problem.

Any serious offroad vehicle needs to have certain dimentions and variables to perform well, the TJ and XJ both have a lot of the right stuff. The short and thin bodies make it so that you don't need huge tires and ridiculous amounts of lift.

Site for above paragraph and also just plain good reading.

Expeditions West: Tire Selection for Expedition Travel

TJ's and XJ's could use a little help in the power department and need some minor modifications to reach their full potential, but I would love to see a stock H1 and a stock TJ ride the same exact trial for a day. I would hedge my bet on the TJ but I doubt the H1 would do far worse.

[crcj7]

ahah that reminds me i have videos of my Suburban on 31s wheeling ahahaha i just started driveing and found the 4x4 thingy ahaha i could keep up with my friends yj on 33 at s without a problem in the mud i did get hung up alot . i like burbs a lot more then hummers i dont have a huge problem with hummer its self its just the atituide that seems to come with them its a tahoe with huge wheel wells and wider and with stupid owners most of the time

[ArrizX]

Originally Posted by winkosmosis

When was the last time they sold a CJ? I said for decades you couldn't buy a truly offroad capable stock Jeep. As ungainly as the H2 was, the best thing Jeep had was a TJ with ground clearance akin to a minivan, 28" tires, a LP front axle, mostly Dana 35s, and no standard skid plates, and AFAIK no tow hooks.

You know what symbolizes what was wrong with Jeep? My Miata came with recovery hooks, yet I had to install them on my XJ!! Why? Because Chryser was run by beancounters, not the car enthusiasts. They crippled otherwise well engineered vehicles for the same of saving a few beans, because they knew their intended purpose was mallcrawling.


AMC didn't make the original HMMWV, it was always AM General.

Must be gay. Not that I care. Its your lift style choice.

Anyways, yeah XJs should have had tow hooks. But its still more capable then a Miata stock. Maybe Jeep assumed an XJ would never get stuck :shrug: where Mazda assumed Miatas would highcenter over a speedbump.

[fullhouse]

Must be gay. Not that I care. Its your lift style choice.

whats wrong with his style?I think its cool and unique.

[crcj7]

pulling out of a muddy feild spun the tiers and through mud allover a hummer he tryed to fight me ahhh

[barroninc]

Originally Posted by XJAbuzer

That description reminds me of this....

WTF !??! That does look like a buggy without a horse!

[Rob95YJ]

[QUOTE=JDePietro;7873075] I know better honest, I just can't help but get sucked into this argument.

I do not think its really fare to compare a H2 to a Wrangler or a XJ. The H2 had a niche in the market and it wasn't really for someone who would do the kind of stuff that some Wrangler and XJ owners prefer. A much better comparison could be had with the newer Grand Cherokees (IFS). With the limiting capabilities of IFS, and a huge Suburban like chasis I don't see the H2 being a real contender. Break over angles, and trail size as well as the weight factor just limit what you can readily handle.

The H1 is a very serious and capable truck but again I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The H1 has very strong IFS and RFS system but no matter how you cut the cake there is only so much contortion they can take. In short you will never have the same amount of flex, and while upward travel isn't that big a deal if you can't reach the ground you will not have any traction. What hangs the H1 up more times than not is getting high centered. Having a rock or stump or other in the center line of the vehicle especially if under one of the axles puts it out of commision. Mud in large quantities will also create the same problem.

Any serious offroad vehicle needs to have certain dimentions and variables to perform well, the TJ and XJ both have a lot of the right stuff. The short and thin bodies make it so that you don't need huge tires and ridiculous amounts of lift.

Site for above paragraph and also just plain good reading.

Expeditions West: Tire Selection for Expedition Travel

TJ's and XJ's could use a little help in the power department and need some minor modifications to reach their full potential, but I would love to see a stock H1 and a stock TJ ride the same exact trial for a day. I would hedge my bet on the TJ but I doubt the H1 would do far worse.[/QUOTE

YOU HIT THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD. THE HMMWV WILL NEVER BE A ROCKCRAWLER BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE AND LACK OF FLEX BUT AFTER DRIVING THEM IN THE MILITARY THROUGH MUD, WATER, AND MANY HAIRY SITUTAIONS. I HAVE TO SAY THE HMMWV IS A BEAST AND WOULD PUT A STOCK TJ TO SHAME AND WOULD HOLD ITS OWN WITH A HIGHLY MODIFIED TJ.

[jeep12827]

bottom line, the older military hummers are nice and will hold there own great vehicle. (spit)(cough) but once hummer introduced the "newer" versions everything went to crap, even the h3s that are a bit smaller than the h2s are still to big and heavy to do anytype of wheeling with. and regardless of the terrain a stock cherokee or tj or whatever jeep pre 02 will (before they came out with the liberty) dominate one of those huge turds. My bro just got an h3 and is scared to go anywhere next to where i go offroad and im not a die hard offroader just fun stuff the occassional weekend. my 96 cherokee is better designed for offroad of anytype than my brothers 07 h3 with 11 years of advanced technology on me. And comeon guys lets keep this page true to jeeps vs hummer and recovery. Enough with the crap like the ugly hummer pics with huge wheels and ridiculous jeeps save it for another thread..

[barroninc]

Both the H2 and H3 were built on the Tahoe chasis, And you dont see many out there wheelin'. Possible? sure, but not practical.

[obxresq]

Originally Posted by barroninc

Both the H2 and H3 were built on the Tahoe chasis, And you dont see many out there wheelin'. Possible? sure, but not practical.

The H3 chassis is based off the GM Colorado pick up and not the Tahoe

The H2 chassis is based off the Tahoe

[jeepgunner12]

Originally Posted by Yesfan70

What's funny is there are no "H2/3 Recovery Vehicle" stickers on the Jeeps in this thread.

Im scared to put "Hummer Recovery" "Ford Recovery", "Chevy Recovery" or anything else like that on my jeep. Im sure somebody would be a shumck and throw a grenade at it.

[jeepgunner12]

Originally Posted by winkosmosis

Remember, before the Hummer brand was created and started competing with Jeep, Jeeps had tiny tires, weak axles, low ground clearance, no skids, and not even recovery hooks. They weren't offroad vehicles and Chrysler knew it. That's how "Jeeps are built not bought" came about... For decades you couldn't buy any Jeep with more ground clearance than a Dodge Caravan. Hummer embarassed Jeep into building offroad vehicles.

I thought the first jeep was when the millitary was experimenting with 4wd viehicles for the front lines.........

[Smittyman]

Originally Posted by jeepgunner12

I thought the first jeep was when the millitary was experimenting with 4wd viehicles for the front lines.........

What? Where did you hear that? That makes no sense at all...