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Unread 03-05-2013, 10:31 PM   #1
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New to FSJ not the forum!

Hey everybody! I recently purchased a 1988 Wagoneer for which my wife and I have restoration plans for.

I previously had an XJ and a TJ back in 2010, sold those and built a ridiculous 4runner. I know shame on me.

We are going to do a bone stock restore with the exception of a newer MDS 5.7l Hemi mated to a Chrysler 727. I have already done a ton of research and know what it entails. I have done engine swaps on many different makes and models so its nothing new to me. Plus its the rig my wife has always wanted so im allowed to spend what ever i want.

Heres a few pictures. Its still in transit to the house so I will have to wait until it gets here to take better ones.








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Unread 03-06-2013, 02:46 AM   #2
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Welcome to the FULL SIZE SIDE. Looks like a good starting platform for the restore. I like the idea of a Mopar power plant, seems most folks shy away from Mopar. Keep us posted with the progress, I may be doing the same transplant in the future
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Unread 03-06-2013, 05:35 AM   #3
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Yea, most stay away from mopar due to the engines being so wide. I will probably have to modify the heater / A/C box to clear the passenger side. The challenge for me is getting the MDS to work. With what I have researched it might not be an option or worth it for that matter. Should be a fun little project for the wife and I. Another big concern is finding parts for it. Since aftermarket is somewhat lacking, replacement parts for these things are far and few between.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 06:15 AM   #4
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Gonovr,

Welcome!

I plan to also put a hemi in my Waggy. But I think we need a better transmission.

On my 2012 grand Cherokee I have a hemi with the 6 speed auto snd it makes all the difference.
So my thought process is if you are going to get such a nice engine in, you need to get a 5 speed at least with and overdrive to let it live happily in all driving scenarios.........
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Unread 03-06-2013, 08:57 AM   #5
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Gonovr,

Welcome!

I plan to also put a hemi in my Waggy. But I think we need a better transmission.

On my 2012 grand Cherokee I have a hemi with the 6 speed auto snd it makes all the difference.
So my thought process is if you are going to get such a nice engine in, you need to get a 5 speed at least with and overdrive to let it live happily in all driving scenarios.........
I thought about that too. To put an updated transmission means a transfercase too. That turns into opening the tunnel. New custom crossmember along with new drive lines. If I swap out the amc tf 727 to a Chrysler 727 everything else stays the same. Just have to get an adapter fly wheel and retain my output shaft out of the amc 727. This way everything stays factory minus the engine. I want the hemi to look like it belongs with the jeep engine cover and all.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 03:47 PM   #6
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Lets get a bunch of guys together and agree on a tranny, lets say the 6 speed auto for sake of discussion, and get someone to fab an adapter to the Waggy transfer case.

I'm sure there is someone with the right tools and knowledge that can do that for us. Get enough guys and the cost becomes reasonable.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 04:45 PM   #7
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Would the 47RE work with tail shaft swap. I think that used a NP241 driver side drop
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Unread 03-06-2013, 06:43 PM   #8
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I heard somewhere that you can rotate the drop, but not sure.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 10:36 PM   #9
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Well I have decided to let the t-case be the deciding factor. I am going to tear it apart and see if the hard to get parts are worth re-using. If it deemed fit for rebuild, then i will just use a 727/229. If it not worth the rebuild I will do a full drivetrain swap out of a 2006-2008 ram with a 5 speed auto and matching t-case. Then I could jump to a 3.73-3.92:1 axle ratio and get more power off the line and cruise at low rpms. Time will tell I guess.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 11:09 PM   #10
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Well I have decided to let the t-case be the deciding factor. I am going to tear it apart and see if the hard to get parts are worth re-using. If it deemed fit for rebuild, then i will just use a 727/229. If it not worth the rebuild I will do a full drivetrain swap out of a 2006-2008 ram with a 5 speed auto and matching t-case. Then I could jump to a 3.73-3.92:1 axle ratio and get more power off the line and cruise at low rpms. Time will tell I guess.
Have you ever driven one of those trucks? They are one of the worst driving transmissions I've ever driven. 5spd is one gear too many for a dodge tranny. Shifting every time the accelerator moves, trying to get the correct gear. Until it launches. Go talk to the guys at the diesel shop about how strong those dodge trannys are. They're not as bad as the 6 spd, but you couldn't pay me to put one in a vehicle.

I mean, you do what you want, but somebody had to put down dodge.
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Unread 03-07-2013, 10:57 AM   #11
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I have got to see this 4runner!

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Unread 03-07-2013, 08:12 PM   #12
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I have got to see this 4runner!

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Unread 03-07-2013, 09:04 PM   #13
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Alot more pictures
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Unread 03-08-2013, 03:44 PM   #14
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I saw that Waggy for sale. Glad it found a good home.

I've been lurking around the FSJ forum for a while (main residency is the YJ forum). Provided everything goes well tomorrow, I'll be a two forum member.
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