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Unread 03-25-2013, 12:45 PM   #1
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Chevy 350 swap

I am sick of trying to find parts for the 360 and there are millions of 350's sitting around, any suggestions on what vehicle i should pull the drive train on? Or has anyone done this already? Just more of an idea than anything else thanks

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Unread 03-25-2013, 01:45 PM   #2
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I am sick of trying to find parts for the 360 and there are millions of 350's sitting around, any suggestions on what vehicle i should pull the drive train on? Or has anyone done this already? Just more of an idea than anything else thanks
The price of the swap comes out to about even with a rebuild of your 360. I'm not biased either way. I just weighed my options and dropped in a 401.
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Unread 03-25-2013, 01:53 PM   #3
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What parts are you looking for? Pretty sure anything you can get for a SBC you can get for an AMC, just less variety! What issues are you having?

In all honesty, a jeep with a 350 in it is one of the things I hate the most. Heck if Fuel Injection is what your after, you can make a GM unit work on your AMC!


Many times all these motors need to run good is a new timing chain, a carb rebuild and an emissions delete.
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i've never been unable to get any given part at a regular old parts store.
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i've never been unable to get any given part at a regular old parts store.
X2 or summit.

There are even engine builders who make turn key AMC V8's. They can't be too rare if someone is making money off of them.

Just my East Texas junk yards have slim pickings.
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Unread 03-25-2013, 03:21 PM   #6
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I am sick of trying to find parts for the 360 and there are millions of 350's sitting around, any suggestions on what vehicle i should pull the drive train on? Or has anyone done this already? Just more of an idea than anything else thanks
I love the AMCs, and don't think you should do it, but.....

If I were to do it, I'd get a 80s jimmy, take engine, tranny, tcase, and axles. Mount it up and get some driveshafts.

Or drive the jimmy, and sell the jeep.
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Unread 03-25-2013, 03:26 PM   #7
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Or drive the jimmy, and sell the jeep.
There's the cheapest option!

When I started looking for a Wagoneer I was looking at parts availability, even for my '66 it wasn't an issue for me (except for parts guys going, you mean a Chevy 327? No... I do not)... What parts have you been having such difficulty finding?
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Unread 03-25-2013, 05:33 PM   #8
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There's the cheapest option!

When I started looking for a Wagoneer I was looking at parts availability, even for my '66 it wasn't an issue for me (except for parts guys going, you mean a Chevy 327? No... I do not)... What parts have you been having such difficulty finding?
It was my understanding that parts for these vigilante's are pretty hard to come by?
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For gas and oils and fluids and grease, And wires and tires and anti freeze....And them accessories, Well honey, that's something else!
Well I figured it up and over a period of time, This four thousand dollar car of mine, Cost fourteen thousand dollars And ninety-nine cents, well now!
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It was my understanding that parts for these vigilante's are pretty hard to come by?
At the auto parts store, where they don't realize AMC made a 327 or that they were a car company it can be difficult. My engine builder buddy didn't have a problem finding any parts for it. Actually there's a Vigilante on craigslist in my area right now for $400, if I had the money and the space I'd be all over it.

Just depends how hard you look for stuff.
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At the auto parts store, where they don't realize AMC made a 327 or that they were a car company it can be difficult. My engine builder buddy didn't have a problem finding any parts for it. Actually there's a Vigilante on craigslist in my area right now for $400, if I had the money and the space I'd be all over it.

Just depends how hard you look for stuff.
I thought it was a Nash/AMC 327?
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I thought it was a Nash/AMC 327?
It was originally a Nash/AMC 327 when they first came out in the '50s but by the time the Vigilante rolled along Nash was gone so I've just heard them called an AMC-327. What I just said is here-say only, and I have no clue if it is really correct or not.
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It was originally a Nash/AMC 327 when they first came out in the '50s but by the time the Vigilante rolled along Nash was gone so I've just heard them called an AMC-327. What I just said is here-say only, and I have no clue if it is really correct or not.
The Jeeps have an interesting pedigree that's for sure. Have you thought about transplanting a healthy 360 or 401?
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Unread 03-26-2013, 09:36 AM   #13
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I too have looked at all the swaps... LS as well as my 2 Block Chevy's I have sitting in the garage. Just figured why change out a fresh 229 T-Case / 727 HD trans plus all the brackets, exhaust etc. By the time you add all that cr@p up its going to cost more than any savings on a brand swap for essentially same/less technology and a lower quality block casting. I own/owned a bunch of GM stuff and the blocks have way lower nickel content and the heads DO NOT flow as well as the AMC unless you swap in Vortec late model iron units or go aftermarket. Chevy originally went to 4 bolt mains because the blocks were not as strong as the Olds/Pontiac/Buick/Cad stuff, hence one of the reasons Chevy's were the working mans car.

1. Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap is around 300 bucks new.. same as SBC
2. Good forged pistons are 4-600 either way need to bump compression to run a decent cam and gain any efficiency or power.
3. Rings/bearings all the same price
4. Chevy SBC crank and rods all cast in most cases and forgings cost about the same
5. machine work same but the AMC has a better block and likely less bore taper over time.
6. Good Chevy heads... about the same as rebuilding AMC heads and same price for bolt on aftermarkets with valves/springs.
7. Cam Lifter/chain = same

If you do the swap you might as well go with a 5.3 LS engine install an OD trans/case. Least then you gain technology/power and save weight and grab an OD in the process.

End of day I am hunting a 401 down. They are all forged internally and will cost me the same to build one of them vs. one of my 454's.
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Have you thought about transplanting a healthy 360 or 401?
I wouldnt, those 327's were awesome engines that put out plenty of power even in our fat-arse rigs.

unique too!
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For gas and oils and fluids and grease, And wires and tires and anti freeze....And them accessories, Well honey, that's something else!
Well I figured it up and over a period of time, This four thousand dollar car of mine, Cost fourteen thousand dollars And ninety-nine cents, well now!
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Unread 03-29-2013, 07:30 PM   #15
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Im thinkin about pulling the motor and trans out of the last carb model of a 3/4 ton chevy truck with the 350 its not that the 360 was bad its just i own all chevy vehicles and i have tons of parts for them but the wagoneer doesnt really fit
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