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Yes I want a separate forum for just the Comanche (MJ) 17 65.38%
No, I like to keep it together with XJs 9 34.62%
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Unread 01-30-2005, 02:02 PM   #16
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I think we shouldn't seperate them for one reason: All XJ owners already have most knowledge about MJ's (mechanical, electronic, and cosmetic), and there are soo many XJ owners out there that can help with our MJ problems. As long as the XJ owners realize everything is identical from the cab forward, then they can help us out. If we seperate the forums, mostly MJ owners will be looking at the MJ section, which of there is only about 20 MJ owners versus 220 XJ owners on here.

I say they should stay in the same area, just note it more to the main page that the Cherokee section is also the Comanche section
I have just recently picked up my MJ, and I personally find the XJ forum quite useless for most things. All thats the same seems to be the front end. Everything XJ related from the firewall back is useless, and finding MJ info is tough, seeing as you can't even do a search for 'MJ'. Info on seats, cab interior/exterior, bed, rear suspension, wheel clearance... (the list goes on) is all different.

Why is it that just because there are less of us, we shouldn't have easy to access info like the rest of the non-MJ guys? It's not that it's not clear that the MJ info is in the XJ forum, that's easy enough to see. But you try finding information that is MJ specific, tell me how easy it is in the merged forum...

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Unread 01-30-2005, 02:07 PM   #17
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What's up guys?
This is my first post here, just wanted to give a little input on this. I don't see a need for a seperate forum, but a sticky or two for MJ specific issues would be nice. I noticed there is one for XJ lifts, it would be nice to have one dealing with the different MJ rear options so that info is all in one place. Other than rear suspension set-up, I don't think there is enough difference for anyone to benefit from seperate forums, I know I would just end up reading both anyway.
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Unread 01-30-2005, 02:11 PM   #18
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oops, i accidentally voted. Sorry
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Unread 01-30-2005, 02:39 PM   #19
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the problem here is some ppl are into collecting and restoring MJ's because they are rare, and then there are the ones who want to wheel them. I personally own 2 Mjs and and 2 Xj's. I am not into restoring my MJ's at all, Personally I like to wheel my rigs hard, and really don't care that my seats or center console are not stock. The second problem is up till lately, there was only BB's or Kits that required SOA's. I think a seperate area for MJ owners would be nice, but Basically the Mj's and Xj's are the same.


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Unread 01-30-2005, 03:07 PM   #20
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Sorry guys for not saying something on here earlier, but the forums are really acting up...

I think we shouldn't seperate them for one reason: All XJ owners already have most knowledge about MJ's (mechanical, electronic, and cosmetic), and there are soo many XJ owners out there that can help with our MJ problems. As long as the XJ owners realize everything is identical from the cab forward, then they can help us out. If we seperate the forums, mostly MJ owners will be looking at the MJ section, which of there is only about 20 MJ owners versus 220 XJ owners on here.

I say they should stay in the same area, just note it more to the main page that the Cherokee section is also the Comanche section
see, thats exactly what i said.
I'm glad a MJ owner sees it that way.
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Unread 01-30-2005, 08:26 PM   #21
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I see what you guys are all saying, but here's my two cents:

There are too few MJ owners on here, not to mention (no offense) that most of them lack most/all knowledge about their MJ's. If the XJ owners would just realize that anything from the cab forward is the same, things would be better. And if us MJ owners can learn about everything, mostly including from the firewall back, then maybe we can open up a MJ section. But I say: Wait on more MJ owners, more knowledgable owners, and until then, note to all XJ owners that anything they know about their XJ from the cab forward is the same, adding that we change the title of the Cherokee section to something like Cherokee/Comanche section, that would be a great temporary fix to all probs right now.

In short: Wait for more owners, wait for us to learn more about our MJ's, and open up a seperate section once those needs are met. And until then, fix any probs as of now (Informing to XJ owners that all specs from cab forward are identical as a MJ, calling the Cherokee section Cherokee/Comanche or something like that, etc...) just temporarily.

There's my two cents. I hope some of ya'll will listen to me and think about it
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Unread 01-30-2005, 09:31 PM   #22
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Oh, btw, just to make sure that nobody thought I meant this:

When I said that there isn't much knowledgable MJ owners on here, that included me also, so no offense PERIOD!

Just making sure I wasn't misunderstood
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Unread 01-30-2005, 09:49 PM   #23
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I have looked into getting an MJ for many reasons. I wanna keep my WJ for more of a DD and get the MJ for wheeling. I also want one becuase they are cool and rare. I havent found one that I want to buy yet but I would like to see the forums stay together. I think that there is a lot of info that XJ's and MJ's can help each other with.
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Unread 01-31-2005, 04:53 AM   #24
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i think the best thing to do would be to rename this forum XJ Cherokee/MJ Commanche, and put the years in the description.
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Unread 01-31-2005, 06:14 AM   #25
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In short: Wait for more owners
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Unread 01-31-2005, 06:26 AM   #26
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well i originally voted for "yes", but after reading what all you had to say im going to have to change my mind. we would be losing a lot of knowledgable help from the XJ crew, plus i bet we'd be posting over there anyways to get a straight answer and posibily more opinions on certian subjects. i like the idea of adding comanche to the title, and by the looks of the poll, there wont be enough people to make the switch anyways.
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I agree there just isn't enough of us to justify our own section Some of us do know our MJ's rather well, but don't want to get flamed because we have different views on what works, and what doesn't. That is one reason why I stopped visiting a certian Jeep site. The xj and Mj owners need to all just get along , cause the Mj has been out of production since 92, and the Xj has been out of production since 01, so sharing info and ideas on how to build and mantain your vehicles is essential if we want to be driving them in the future.



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Unread 01-31-2005, 09:58 AM   #28
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I say Build it and they will come!
Well said.

As an MJ owner who has to read through post after post of irrelavent information (come on, cab forward the same? It's effectively firewall forward, and thats less that 1/3 the vehicle. And regardless of the name of the section, I know it's an XJ/MJ forum, it doesn't make it any easier to find Comanche specific info. Something wrong with your logic here people) I find it discouraging to stick around these forums. Knowing that whatever knowledge I gain about my MJ will simply be buried amongst reams of XJ posts, and pretty much useless to any future MJ owner anyway.

As Drahcir495 hinted at, this could be one of the reasons there aren't many MJ owners here in the first place.
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Unread 01-31-2005, 10:20 AM   #29
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We build one, then yes, we might be seeing more, but better yet, do as madrabbit recommended:

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rename this forum XJ Cherokee/MJ Commanche
Then not only will we still have the XJ crew, but we will also still be seeing more Comanche owners coming to this forum. So I'm still with the renaming of this section. And maybe after we see enough MJ owners, then MAYBE we can open up a MJ section. I'd say over the years it would pay off to keep the XJ crew in our section and just ditch the idea of leaving the homeland (XJ section)
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Well said.

As an MJ owner who has to read through post after post of irrelavent information (come on, cab forward the same? It's effectively firewall forward, and thats less that 1/3 the vehicle. And regardless of the name of the section, I know it's an XJ/MJ forum, it doesn't make it any easier to find Comanche specific info. Something wrong with your logic here people) I find it discouraging to stick around these forums. Knowing that whatever knowledge I gain about my MJ will simply be buried amongst reams of XJ posts, and pretty much useless to any future MJ owner anyway.

As Drahcir495 hinted at, this could be one of the reasons there aren't many MJ owners here in the first place.
Adding up on the information I just posted, I realize that the firewall forward is less than 1/3 of the vehicle, but it's our biggest source of probs. But let us not forget that XJ and MJ owners have the same underbody (except for shortbeds like mine ). But if the biggest problem is finding information about MJ's, then I would vote on a better search engine AND a spec sheet containing details about the MJ's from 1986 (they started the main production line in 87', but in 86' they introduced a Comanche X that was part J truck and part MJ truck) to 1992.

A better search engine and a good spec sheet about the MJ's would help tremendously, applying the knowledge to both XJ owner and MJ owner alike that anything they see from the firewall forward is the same as their counterpart.

And if there is to be any arguement against a search engine due to any suspicion that there is no MJ threads on here, think again, as I have seen many threads about fixing/questioning MJ's. The better search engine would help.
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