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Unread 09-06-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Cheap tools

Wasn't sure where to put this, but figured the Cheap Tricks section applied the best.

Do y'all use cheap tools on your Jeep? I have an old socket set that I've used around the house from time to time, but I broke my 5/8 socket trying to remove an old crusty step bar mount the other day. I think it is a Sharper Image set. That's my first problem. The second is that the socket handle is pretty short, and I couldn't get any leverage. Probably wouldn't have mattered since the actual socket was crap.

But I went and bought a longer socket handle, and a deepwell 5/8 socket, and it popped the bolt right off last night. I had been straining with the old one, putting everything I had into it, and it just wouldn't budge. A good pull with this one and it loosened right up.

Which leads me to my question. The longer socket driver I bought was a 13 inch handle. It was $16 at Napa. I asked if they had anything longer, thinking something beefier and longer would come in handy in the future. He had a 15 inch handled version. The price was $79. Now I know we'd all like to add 2 inches but not at 5X the cost. So at what point do you sacrifice quality for price?

And I was buying a Torx bit to remove my bumpers, and figured I'd buy a set. It was like $180. I just bought the bit I needed for the bumper, and one of those swiss army torx sets that was $10 and has all the smaller sizes in it.

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Unread 09-13-2013, 05:58 AM   #2
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Get a length (10"/12"/etc..) of pipe and slide onto handle of your ratchet. This will give you the extra leverage that you need without having to purchase the longer socket handle.
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Unread 09-13-2013, 08:32 AM   #3
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Get a length (10"/12"/etc..) of pipe and slide onto handle of your ratchet. This will give you the extra leverage that you need without having to purchase the longer socket handle.
Yeah, if I had one already I would have done that, but I figured I was going to need a nicer socket wrench anyways. The one I had was cheap crap. This one is a good 5 inches longer than the old one, and I think it will handle most anything I need to do with it. If not, at least I have a "good" one to put a piece of pipe on in the future.
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Unread 09-13-2013, 10:31 AM   #4
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Get a length (10"/12"/etc..) of pipe and slide onto handle of your ratchet. This will give you the extra leverage that you need without having to purchase the longer socket handle.
That always works out great.

But even so, you may want to get a good set of tools. I used to always buy the less expensive or cheapest option and whatever it is usually brakes or frustrates me because something doesn't work well or break. Then I'd have to go back and buy the good stuff anyway.

You always need to correct tool for the job and better tools always make things easier.

I mean, we all have $20-30K vehicles here. Why get a great vehicle and work on it with cheap tools?

Treat yourself and go to Sears and get yourself a good socket set. You will be very pleased with your purchase for years to come.
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Unread 09-13-2013, 01:20 PM   #5
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Being in college, my first choice was obviously the cheaper tools. I found out very quickly that they were not going to work.

For my first experience, I tried to replace the headlights with a bit that came on one of those big multitools that has a lot of sizes. Over an hour and some bloody knuckles later, I had them in. Just recently I changed the headlights on my friend's jeep while I was home, with a quality tool. 10 painless minutes.
I have also had the torx screw completely strip out the bit I was using on several occasions. I now have a hardened titanium torx bit set.
From broken handles, to cracked and stripped sockets, I toiled over crap tools for far too long.

Honestly, if you are a jeep owner - invest in quality tools. Yes, they are pricey. But when you get the job done in 5 minutes or less with no arm cramping, you will thank yourself.
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Unread 09-14-2013, 07:23 PM   #6
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but figured the Cheap Tricks section applied the best.

Do y'all use cheap tools on your Jeep? I have an old socket set that I've used around the house from time to time, but I broke my 5/8 socket trying to remove an old crusty step bar mount the other day. I think it is a Sharper Image set. That's my first problem. The second is that the socket handle is pretty short, and I couldn't get any leverage. Probably wouldn't have mattered since the actual socket was crap.

But I went and bought a longer socket handle, and a deepwell 5/8 socket, and it popped the bolt right off last night. I had been straining with the old one, putting everything I had into it, and it just wouldn't budge. A good pull with this one and it loosened right up.

Which leads me to my question. The longer socket driver I bought was a 13 inch handle. It was $16 at Napa. I asked if they had anything longer, thinking something beefier and longer would come in handy in the future. He had a 15 inch handled version. The price was $79. Now I know we'd all like to add 2 inches but not at 5X the cost. So at what point do you sacrifice quality for price?

And I was buying a Torx bit to remove my bumpers, and figured I'd buy a set. It was like $180. I just bought the bit I needed for the bumper, and one of those swiss army torx sets that was $10 and has all the smaller sizes in it.
Just go buy craftsman tools. Ya there expensive, but they are made great and have a lifetime warranty
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Unread 09-14-2013, 09:28 PM   #7
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if it is a tool i use often, such as a socket set or wrenchs i get something decent. usually craftsman due to the lifetime warranty.

if it is something i buy to use only once, or very rarely then i will buy the cheap one. I figure why risk something breaking when with a cheap tool on something i use every weekend.
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Unread 09-19-2013, 11:31 AM   #8
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Craftsman is the best bang for your buck. My father in law uses Snapon and Matco and I really wish I could afford them too, but he suggested Craftsman for decent enough tools on a budget.

I used to have this garbage chinese socket (actually 2 of them) that we've had for general household use in the family. All it took was one fender removal on my TJ to eat through both of them. Nothing more frustrating than having a half disassembled (nondriveable) car and broken tools. So I got on my bicycle and finally gave in to something a little better. The Craftsman socket was only about $20 but its a lot better. It's taken some beatings and has seen about 20 rusty stubborn bolts and has been whacked that many times with a hammer and a pipe over it. No problems yet.
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Unread 09-20-2013, 11:42 AM   #9
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Harbor Freight for me
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Unread 09-20-2013, 01:48 PM   #10
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Harbor Freight for me
That reminds me of what my wife's grandpa told me. We were asking him his opinions on a home renovation we did, and specifically about a Sawzall and nail guns. He said go to Harbor Freight, get the cheapest Sawzall knockoff brand they have, run it until it dies, then go buy another one. He said he uses them quite a bit and usually gets a couple of years out of one. And the little bit of new framing we were doing, he suggested a big *** hammer. Both worked out quite well.
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Unread 09-23-2013, 09:53 PM   #11
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Sears has started replacing broken tools with rebuilt tools, the last 3 times I returned broken ratchets they gave me obviously used rebuilt ones, when I showed the manager my split knuckles from their last replacement ratchet I was given a new one off the wall instead of a rebuilt model from under the counter. I still have a few Snap-ons but I started buying Kobalt after using a couple different wrenches and sockets, if you register them you get theft replacement also. But yes carry quality tools in your jeep.
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Unread 09-24-2013, 04:36 PM   #12
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Just go buy craftsman tools. Ya there expensive, but they are made great and have a lifetime warranty
CRAPsmen is expensive?

You guys clearly dont work on cars for a living. When it comes to tools you get what you pay for. Craftsmen is a good back of a backup.

1300 bucks....
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CRAPsmen is expensive?

You guys clearly dont work on cars for a living. When it comes to tools you get what you pay for. Craftsmen is a good back of a backup.

1300 bucks....
Did you miss the thread title ?
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Unread 09-24-2013, 11:06 PM   #14
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Did you miss the thread title ?
No. He's right. This is our only option. Using anything less than the absolute best all the time will only result in the catastrophe failure of everything.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:09 PM   #15
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The second is that the socket handle is pretty short, and I couldn't get any leverage... I had been straining with the old one, putting everything I had into it, and it just wouldn't budge. A good pull with this one and it loosened right up. Which leads me to my question. The longer socket driver I bought was a 13 inch handle. It was $16 at Napa. I asked if they had anything longer, thinking something beefier and longer would come in handy in the future. He had a 15 inch handled version. The price was $79. Now I know we'd all like to add 2 inches but not at 5X the cost. So at what point do you sacrifice quality for price? And I was buying a Torx bit to remove my bumpers, and figured I'd buy a set. It was like $180. I just bought the bit I needed for the bumper, and one of those swiss army torx sets that was $10 and has all the smaller sizes in it.
I bought the 25" breaker bar (1/2" drive) from Harbor freight for $12, and it has been one of my best purchases ever. It's not a ratchet type, but works great for that initial bolt seize break. Once loose, switch to your regular ratchet driver and you're good to go.

I'll echo the comment about good sockets too though and would HIGHLY suggest you try to buy only 6 point sockets. Much less likely to tear up bolts.

Right now, my socket set weak points are the step-up / step-down adapters used to switch from 1/2" drive down to 3/8" or 1/4" drive sockets. I tend to buy only what I need when I need it though to keep short term costs down.
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