Rude? Maybe. However, I've seen so many fly-by-night Ebay vendors of garbage products come and go, I tend to be a bit skeptical.
Many of the worst of them had flashy logos, well written glowing 'testimonials', and absolutely HORRIBLE products.
Hello again Mr. Boody, I knew you would be back. Everything you say makes sense and you absolutely have a right to be skeptical.
You pop up on this forum THIS MONTH, and expect our members to take whatever you say without sketicism and without a 'prove it' attitude... you're likely to be disappointed. There IS one testimonial for the product on your website. ONE. Yup, it's good, but I'd be surprised if anyone posted a negative comment about their own product.
I never stood like a snake oil salesman and told anyone to "not be skeptical" or to buy right now. These are your words. Monstaliner is a new product and it will prove itself over time and after more people less skeptical than yourself try it and are convinced. Yes, I just showed up here like a strong breeze with our new product. I paid for a banner ad and I posted an honest introduction in the designated vendor section. And then I started answering questions and you came along. I actually appreciate your feedback because this will get many more questions answered faster than had you not come along.
Is your product great? No clue. BUT... based on the 'service temp' information from your OWN data sheets, I'm concerned. The trans tunnel gets pretty darn warm, and in an underbody application, the radiant heat from the exhaust is way over service temp.
What will Raptor do? Dunno... mine isn't coated yet. But there ARE literally hundreds of satisfied guys on the forum who have posted their experiences, with that product, used ON a Jeep in various ways.
Many just do the interior of the tub; however, the Jeep community also uses bedliner material on bumpers, fenders, fenderliners, underbody, skid plates, and some go so far as to use it as an exterior coating too.
All these questions will be answered soon. And I do believe that the service temp you are so stuck on was an atmospheric temp not a surface temp. We will be evaluating surface temps shortly and we are waiting for some Raptor material to arrive so we can compare side by side.
Why split the product? BECAUSE, if you're selling a do-it-yourself product, that anybody can do in a garage at home, it's beneficial to be able to mix only part of the product at a time, especially if you have several areas you want to do over a period of time.
This makes sense. If I gave you a mixing cup or a scoop and told you the mix ratio, would that work also?
Why sprayable? BECAUSE, if you have to roll it on, there are a LOT of areas that need additional touchup that a roller can't reach.
This is why they make paint brushes (Yes included in the kit) We are also looking at making Monstaliner sprayable. Right now it is a bit too thick and will need some reducing.
Why price match perhaps the MOST popular product similar to yours in the Jeep community at the moment? Simple marketing 101 stuff here... take a short term loss to get the word out about your product. If it really as superior to the other offerings out there as your claims indicate, you'll be able to sell it at your price later in far higher quantity than otherwise. Don't and you risk no one being willing to try it because it's DOUBLE the cost of a well known, well tested, and well liked product.
I hear you and understand your point. The problem is that we can not sell 2 gallons for what 1 gallon of Raptor sells for. Based on Raptor published technical data, Monstaliner is about 20% higher in volume solids which means that a gallon should go further than Raptor. But... because the viscosity of Monsta in much higher and designed for roller install, it may not go as far as the math says it should. We are looking at this also and waiting for Raptor sample as stated.
Concern about having to do tests at your location... simple... if this stuff of yours has very specific installation or curing environment requirements, it's not well suited to the do it yourself market. Look, I KNOW I can get outstanding results with some of the pro products out there, and in any darn thickness I want. But the value equations is a bit skewed with those.
I'm not at all concerned about this. It DOES NOT have critical cure requirements. Just common sense requirements. Not at 20 degrees, not in the rain, not in blistering direct sun. I've seen Monstaliner cure @ 35 deg F up to 100 degrees. It's slower at the lower temps but surprising that it always cures.
And I disagree that you CAN NOT get outstanding results with other products out there at any film thickness unless you are high pressure spraying polyurea. Maybe with an epoxy like Dominion Gator because epoxies will cure at any film thickness. So if you know something else, please speak up.
You product may just be the best alternative to a pro product, at a comparatively reasonable price. But man, I gotta tell you, bedliner is a real ***** to remove if it goes bad, so making a mistake on trying something new is a difficult marketing challenge for you if price is added to the uphill road you, a newcomer to the market, will encounter.
You're a very negative person. Are you in therapy?
And if you take offense at being called on failing to know your own product well enough to specify coverage... sorry. Find out the stuff we want to know: How many square feet will your product cover how thick with one gallon? What is the absolute minimum thickness for adequate protection, and what is the maximum thickness it can be built up to, and how thick in ONE coat? I'd love 1/4" thick in some areas... but I damn sure don't want to have to lay on 40 coats to get there, nor do I want to wait 3 month for complete cure....
I did not take offense to your questions or anything other than your know it all attitude. I promise you that all of your questions will be answered.
And address the service temp issue clearly: HOW hot can your product remain protective and does it ever become flammable at any temp?
We have torches, ovens and heat guns waiting for a Raptor sample.
**** Boody: CAN YOU PLEASE CHECK FOR ME HOW HOT THE TRANS TUNNEL CAN GET SO WE CAN MAKE SURE TO TEST AT THE CORRECT TEMPS?
Jeep folks on enthusiast forums are a tough market... we are frugal (ok, cheap), we modify EVERYTHING, and we want ALL the details... because MANY of us take or Jeeps, and the products we buy for them, FAR further and work them FAR harder than a soccer mom who wants her pickup bed to be easy to wash out after she brings a few plants home from the garden shop....
I love you Boodyrider but I HATE YOU for making me type so much!