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Unread 08-16-2013, 05:51 PM   #16
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That's a lot of grams. 323 average. I didn't even know it was possible for normal people to intake that much :laugh

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Lol. It's obviously going to be harder the more you weigh. When I started lifting I was ~145lbs so it wasn't that hard for me.

Just start out adding in more protein. Force yourself to eat more and get on a schedule where you eat more frequently. Just like how you won't see results from lifting overnight, you can't have a perfect diet overnight.
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I weighed in a 214 this morning. I'm guessing the protein shakes will account for a chunk of that. So I don't think it'll be bad. Just never realized that's how much was needed. You guys are good.
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Like Tucson said, it'll vary between people. I doubt I get much more than 1g/lb and I've been seeing regular results.
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Food is the best protein source. It's cheaper and better for you.
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Food is the best protein source. It's cheaper and better for you.
I'd have to eat three pounds of chicken or turkey to get the amount I'd need. Less a tiny amount for the few cups of fruit I'd was. Which depending on what kind, wouldn't be hardly anything. Unless its pineapple or prunes which have a fair amount to my surprise.

I agree though. If I could eat it I would, but it seems unrealistic.

Although, unless I slaughter the animals myself, I'd probably be eating a comparable amount of man made chemicals. Unfortunately.
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I'd have to eat three pounds of chicken or turkey to get the amount I'd need. Less a tiny amount for the few cups of fruit I'd was. Which depending on what kind, wouldn't be hardly anything. Unless its pineapple or prunes which have a fair amount to my surprise.

I agree though. If I could eat it I would, but it seems unrealistic.

Although, unless I slaughter the animals myself, I'd probably be eating a comparable amount of man made chemicals. Unfortunately.
the first question is what are your goals currently? lose weight? gain muscle? both? you can't do both at the same time (i mean a little but not significantly). that will help dictate your true protein intake. So if you're trying to lose weight you'd be closer to .8 to 1/g per lb of "ideal body weight" not you current weight.

It seems easier/best for people who are over the weight they want to cut fat then gain muscle, repeat til you're where you want to be in terms of muscle and bf%
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I'd have to eat three pounds of chicken or turkey to get the amount I'd need. Less a tiny amount for the few cups of fruit I'd was. Which depending on what kind, wouldn't be hardly anything. Unless its pineapple or prunes which have a fair amount to my surprise.

I agree though. If I could eat it I would, but it seems unrealistic.

Although, unless I slaughter the animals myself, I'd probably be eating a comparable amount of man made chemicals. Unfortunately.
A pound of chicken has about 130 grams of protein, most of which your body should be able to process efficiently. It isn't unrealistic to eat a pound of meat split between two lunches. If you have four large eggs for breakfast (32 grams of protein) with cottage cheese (13 grams), you're at about 180 grams for the day before dinner. Having a dinner with an additional 60 grams of protein is totally possible. If you really need more than 240 grams of protein a day then it definitely won't hurt to supplement.

The best part about eating whole food sources of protein is that you get all the other nutrients that comes with it. I've recently switched from protein shakes to whole food sources and I haven't noticed any muscle loss, plus it get to eat like five times a day!
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the first question is what are your goals currently? lose weight? gain muscle? both? you can't do both at the same time (i mean a little but not significantly). that will help dictate your true protein intake. So if you're trying to lose weight you'd be closer to .8 to 1/g per lb of "ideal body weight" not you current weight.

It seems easier/best for people who are over the weight they want to cut fat then gain muscle, repeat til you're where you want to be in terms of muscle and bf%
My main goal is to gain mass and strength. I'd like to loose fat as well, but I feel like its not a correct thing to say over all weight. If I put on mass I can't loose what I put on. So I don't really care what order it's in, but id really only like to lose another 5-10lbs of fat.


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A pound of chicken has about 130 grams of protein, most of which your body should be able to process efficiently. It isn't unrealistic to eat a pound of meat split between two lunches. If you have four large eggs for breakfast (32 grams of protein) with cottage cheese (13 grams), you're at about 180 grams for the day before dinner. Having a dinner with an additional 60 grams of protein is totally possible. If you really need more than 240 grams of protein a day then it definitely won't hurt to supplement.

The best part about eating whole food sources of protein is that you get all the other nutrients that comes with it. I've recently switched from protein shakes to whole food sources and I haven't noticed any muscle loss, plus it get to eat like five times a day!
When you break it down like that, it's easily possible. My bad man. However, what's the calorie difference between cutting out your 2-3 shakes and eating whole foods? It seems like eating all whole foods would increase it a lot. But then again I don't know how many cals a shake has anymore.

And I'd still need some shake. It'll be hard to eat a meal in the middle of a class full of 50 people while I'm in school.
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When you break it down like that, it's easily possible. My bad man. However, what's the calorie difference between cutting out your 2-3 shakes and eating whole foods? It seems like eating all whole foods would increase it a lot. But then again I don't know how many cals a shake has anymore.

And I'd still need some shake. It'll be hard to eat a meal in the middle of a class full of 50 people while I'm in school.
I don't really worry about calories since I need at least 3000 a day to maintain weight. I would aim for about 800 calories per meal.
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My main goal is to gain mass and strength. I'd like to loose fat as well, but I feel like its not a correct thing to say over all weight. If I put on mass I can't loose what I put on. So I don't really care what order it's in, but id really only like to lose another 5-10lbs of fat.

When you break it down like that, it's easily possible. My bad man. However, what's the calorie difference between cutting out your 2-3 shakes and eating whole foods? It seems like eating all whole foods would increase it a lot. But then again I don't know how many cals a shake has anymore.

And I'd still need some shake. It'll be hard to eat a meal in the middle of a class full of 50 people while I'm in school.
So don't forget, at different ages you're going to process proteins and amino acids differently. And no, you're body cannot process 32g of protein in one meal. The idea isn't mass amounts at once, its a constant stream of nutrients for your body to feed of off. If you want mass and strength, you need to evaluate where you're starting and go from there. Its a multi step process for workouts. For food, eat clean, eat 5 times or so a day (like what I emailed you) and it'll happen. The workout program (emailed) follows the correct pattern for how muscles need to grow and what patterns need to be established inside the muscles themselves. You're taking stabilization, endurance, hypertrophy and power.

Do it right, it'll last longer and results will be more satisfying.
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What do you guys think of MuscleTech Phase 8 or Elite brand? Bodybuilding has buy 2 get 1 right now FYI. No Gold standard though.
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What do you guys think of MuscleTech Phase 8 or Elite brand? Bodybuilding has buy 2 get 1 right now FYI. No Gold standard though.
Good stuff, for me the Vanilla is better than the chocolate but the chocolate still isn't bad. Phase 8 is one of the few protein powders that taste better with water. Milk makes it almost to thick in my opinion. I enjoy phase8 flavors much more than musclepharms banana creme or cookies n cream. My favorite so far has been ON gold standard mocha cappuccino and cellucor peanut butter marshmallow. I'm gonna try Dymatize elite fusion 7 rich chocolate & creamy vanilla shake next.
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What do you guys think of MuscleTech Phase 8 or Elite brand? Bodybuilding has buy 2 get 1 right now FYI. No Gold standard though.
I liked it. I still have two tubs I need to go through
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Is that for Elite too?
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