no disrespect taken. We're all adults and have different opinions. I have not done any significant research into test boosters. Very little at all as a matter. So just throwing my 2 cents in and learning as well. As for the testers, lot of things that can throw off the electric ones, no denying that. But when properly calibrated and the person has correctly prepared, it has the same error range as the caliper. What little expereince I have came from working under the head of the campus recreation department who was the former head trainer for the university of oregon football team and then i worked for him at the University of Arizona. So make no mistake, he knows more then most pro body builders.
I was not intending to state things as facts, in fact as I read my own post seems most of it says, get some hard data and bring it back to us. We want to see! Not trying to seem as if I'm calling you out, I am a sponge for data and would like to follow what happens. And sorry, but yes it's a fact that you can not put on significant portions of muscle while cutting large amounts of fat at the same time. Not saying they do go together sometimes, but I dont see people putting on 25lbs of muscle while cutting 15lbs of fat without going in stages. If someone has proof they did that at the same time, without changing diet and workout to be in different stages, I'd be shocked to say the least.
edit: as i'm saying not able to do at the same time I want to be clear on my position. When you have a bf% at 30+% (men for example) and you start working out, yes you're going to lose large amounts of fat and start gaining muscle, of course. And as the percent gets closer to athletic range, it gets exponentially harder to lose a %. Now at that time, you didn't put on a large amount of muscle mass (speaking in terms of bulk muscle like body building attempt). You did put on muscle mass, mostly lean muscle. There's nothing surprising about that. So my point is you don't see guys at 10% eating enough calories and protein to be adding bulk muscle while cutting to 6% b/f at the same time. If you know of otherwise, please post proof, because I want to see their workout and diet plan, and proof that it didn't stay for 2 weeks and then all went back to fat.
Ok, gotta jump on this one. Just because you have book knowledge and all sorts of certificates, certainly does not qualify someone as being more experienced than a Pro Bodybuilder. There is a reason he/she is a pro. They have ate, slept, and dreamt more experimentations, on their own body than any certified trainer or "expert" could ever imagine.
As a rule of thumb, even the trainers, are seeking to hone in on what each "individual" truly needs. Each body is as different as the grains of sand on a beach. So please, please, please... Unless you have walked the walk and know the price a pro has paid, keep those comments, to yourself!