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post #16 of 21 Old 03-18-2011, 09:54 AM
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If the rods on question have been exposed to ambient air for much more than a couple weeks NO amount of low temp rebaking will rehabilitate them.

Get some new electrodes, a few dollars spent here could mean the difference in frustration and failure vs confidence and success

FWiw I learned to weld with 1/8" e7018, 8018 h4r and a little 5/32 7028 thrown in too. If you can master arc striking on AC with a 70 or 8018 rod you've pretty much mastered that skill.

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post #17 of 21 Old 03-18-2011, 10:20 AM Thread Starter
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I think I will buy some brand new rods for practice. I don't want to hinder my self teaching any. Once I get to where I can weld, then I'll try an old rod to see what it does. If it doesn't do anything I'll toss them.
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post #18 of 21 Old 03-18-2011, 10:17 PM
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Keep your rod in a seal container will help to keep them dry. Now if you have an old ice chest that has a tight lid. You could make a rod dryer with a light bulb inside. You just drill a hole in the top and hang the light from top and seal the hole. Store your rods inside until you are going to use them.

A 89 yj with a 4.0 aw4 sye out of an 92xj. Now the hard part is done time to get it up in the air just a bit. Working on 8.8 with 3.73 and lsd for the rear. and new D30 hp with 3.73 .
For those who have not figured this out I'm old school but can handle the new too.
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post #19 of 21 Old 03-19-2011, 06:48 AM
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Once you get setup and start learning stick welding..turn you're heat up a little hotter and start running flat welds,this way you won't get so frustrated from the rod sticking on you and want to give up like alot of people do when first learning stick rod.
Once you get the hang of starting a rod without sticking you can turn you're heat(amps) back down a little.
Another little trick i use to help out beginners in our apprenticeship classes is put the practice peice on a slight upward angle so the slag will run behind the weld and you will start seeing the actual difference in you're slag and metal..this is where you will start getting GOOD at stick welding once you actualy SEE and KNOW the difference in the 2 ,its what we call having the eye for it.
You're slag puddle will be more of a smooth puddle..the metal will freeze(solidify) with ripples in it..it'll take you a lil while to know what i mean but with some practice you'll see what i mean.

Those who said once a rod(especialy a 7018) is wet is no good anymore is right on the money..the idea is to keep them dry from the get go.

For here at the house i use an old mini fridge with a 40 watt bulb in it to just keep a little warm and moisture out,but if you can find an old all metal fridge or freezer you can put a 100 watt bulb in it to keep them warmer and that also helps in a rod running smoother when it is dry and hot.Thats why we always use rods fresh out of a rod oven with a steady heat of 250 degrees with 7018 when weld testing for a job or a certain quailification...but a 6011 or 6010 is usualy only needed 100 degrees or even less because of the hydrogen needed on those rods

So in a nutshell..store any of you're 6010's in just a rod container like in this pic of what i use for just around here..those light blue containers can be had for around 5.00-10.00 a peice and has a rubber seal to keep moisture out,you can also get away with storing 7018's in those too ,as long you don't let the lids off very long when taking some out needed..you're not taking an A.W.S test or such,,just learning and trying to keep good rods for the practice..
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Thanks Ironworker! Well, I laid down some beads today on some scrap and even welded some scrap steel together. At first I couldn't strike an arc with some thin metal so I went ahead and pulled in a piece of thicker square tube which wasn't really scrap but that's how I finally got the feel for it. I didn't actually have any problems with the rod sticking except once. I am confident and happy that I got over that hurdle of striking an arc. I was even burning some 6-7 year old 6013 I had in my shed with no problem at all. It really is amazing how dry it is here in NM. Average humidity is 0.1%-LOL My next goal is to try and learn how to run the puddle a bit better. I actually welded some steel together pretty good, but I can't say I was using any specific technique with the puddle. Do you have any tips as to how to assure your running a good bead?
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Just watch the puddle

The molten steel right behind your slag should have roughly a shape similar to a womans fingernail evenly centered and pointed away from the two pieces being welded

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