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Unread 03-27-2011, 11:01 PM   #1
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what kind of welder??? if you weld please look at this and give your input

hey guys im looking into buying a welder, but i dont have a ton of cash to put into it.

im looking to do stuff such as make frame brackets and weld them to the frame, also would like to be able to make my own long arms and build a 4 link triangulated setup for the rear, and also build a roll cage.

i dont need the fancyest one in the world, and i honestly CAN handle a 10% duty cycle.

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Unread 03-27-2011, 11:04 PM   #2
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I have a Hobart Handler 140. Works great for me, but I'm new to welding. I have a friend that's pretty good and he likes it better than his (other brand) machine. I gave $500 for it brand new including shipping and a cart from www.northerntool.com

Edit: Here's the link : http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6073_200306073
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Unread 03-27-2011, 11:12 PM   #3
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Once you determine which welder you want make sure you check out craigslist. I've found plenty of good tools for cheap on there.
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Unread 03-27-2011, 11:16 PM   #4
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ok so how many amps and what size/type of wire would i need to use for cages/control arms/ and brackets??
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Unread 03-27-2011, 11:17 PM   #5
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quick input.... www.searchtempest.com

It searches all of craigslist within a range you pick all at once. No more getting into a city and looking, the getting out and picking another city etc.... Its a FAST way to search all of craigslist in a range.

Do you want a 220 welder or a 110. ? Do you have 220 at your house?
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yes i have 220, but would prefer to use 110. i think.... i dont know much about this, and ive never welded, but i want to learn and just dont wanna buy something that wont weld what im looking to do, also dont want to buy something that i dont NEED....
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180 amp will do pretty much all you need, i found a brand going out of business on ebay last year and bought a mig 180 amp built in italy and has all the same consumables as lincoln (easy to get parts) and craftsman makes the same unit and you can get parts through sears.

I bought the welder for 275, its a beast and a 220 unit. its called clarke 180en the craftsman is also 180en. I just checked they are on ebay for 280 still.




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ok, another question do i need to use gas for what i want to do??
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I'm not a welder, but I've been hobbyist welding for about 8 or 9 years now. I bought a Millermatic 180, I can go manual or auto set based on thickness and adjust from there. It is a 220V unit, and I use Argon/CO2 gas. You will need a welder that can handle up to at least 3/8 thickness material, and I would strongly recommend gas. I feel I get good results with this unit. Here's a link to a bumper build I did for my 04 Rubicon on Oahu Jeepers forum: http://oahujeepers.proboards.com/ind...ad=5456&page=1
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I'm not a welder, but I've been hobbyist welding for about 8 or 9 years now. I bought a Millermatic 180, I can go manual or auto set based on thickness and adjust from there. It is a 220V unit, and I use Argon/CO2 gas. You will need a welder that can handle up to at least 3/8 thickness material, and I would strongly recommend gas. I feel I get good results with this unit. Here's a link to a bumper build I did for my 04 Rubicon on Oahu Jeepers forum: http://oahujeepers.proboards.com/ind...ad=5456&page=1
Very nice build, that's what I'm looking to be doing
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Look in the fabrication thread there is a sticky on buying welders & lots of good info. I will say go 220v and Miller, Lincoln, Hobart & ESAB.
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Look in the fabrication thread there is a sticky on buying welders & lots of good info. I will say go 220v and Miller, Lincoln, Hobart & ESAB.
^ This. Tons of info and debate about welders in the Fab forum. This is TJ Tech. I ended up with a HH140. Suits my needs for now. I would like a 220V unit sometime in the future.
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Not meaning this in a negative way; if you have never welded, I would suggest looking into a Votech program and get some hands on before taking on projects like suspension parts etc.
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I recently went through the same process of deciding and buying a welder. I ended up going with the Miller 211 Autoset. My reasons for buying were:
1) Can use it on 110 or 220 with the same cord. This allows for using 110 where that's the only thing available or using 220 when you need to weld some thicker stuff.
2) Miller has a good reputation for quality products. We have a few Miller welders at work and have had good service from them.
3) Small enough to haul around if needed.
4) Don't think I'll need to upgrade to a bigger/better welder later. Can weld up to 3/8" steel.
5) Have 4 Miller dealers in a 15 mile radius, so if I need anything, they're not far.

I would definitely recommend getting a gas bottle. It only added around $140 to the purchase (if the welder is set up for it) and the resulting weld is much cleaner than if you use flux core wire. That probably makes a bigger difference than anything as far a weld quality.
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^ This. Tons of info and debate about welders in the Fab forum. This is TJ Tech. I ended up with a HH140. Suits my needs for now. I would like a 220V unit sometime in the future.
x2. I have a Hobart Handler 140 and use it all the time. I've used 220V Miller & Lincoln's as well, all nice. Definitely go Hobart, Lincoln or Miller, I think Miller is probably the best, but its also the most expensive. My HH140 does what I need at this point, but I wouldn't use it for suspension arms.

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Not meaning this in a negative way; if you have never welded, I would suggest looking into a Votech program and get some hands on before taking on projects like suspension parts etc.
x2 on this. Get some education, don't just start slapping metal together. Read the fab forum.
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