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Unread 06-02-2010, 04:02 PM   #1
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What do you think about this model HF bender?

Looking to buy this bender for $40 from someone locally. Whatcha think? Basically, I plan on making the occasional stinger bumper, rock sliders, and eventually making my factory CJ cage in to a full cage. I understand this is HF stuff, and I generally stay away from ALL HF stuff, but for the price I think it is hard to go wrong. It will get very slight, occasional use. Thoughts???

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Unread 06-02-2010, 04:05 PM   #2
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if you want to bend PIPE, its fine. if you want to bend TUBE, it's the wrong tool. smart people build cages out of TUBE.

these are TUBE benders:
JD Squared, Inc.
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if you want to bend PIPE, its fine. if you want to bend TUBE, it's the wrong tool. smart people build cages out of TUBE.

these are TUBE benders:
JD Squared, Inc.
Pipe Bending Machine, Tube Benders, Square Tubing Bender
Gotcha! Glad I didnt buy this yet! Thanks!
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Yea, you would be swearing up a storm after the first bend leaves a nice kink in the tube.
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if you want to bend PIPE, its fine. if you want to bend TUBE, it's the wrong tool. smart people build cages out of TUBE.

these are TUBE benders:
JD Squared, Inc.
Pipe Bending Machine, Tube Benders, Square Tubing Bender
Fill us in on the difference between PIPE and TUBE besides the I.D. and O.D. measurements and why only "smart" people use TUBE

The only difference in being smart or not is buyin PIPE dies for PIPE,and buying TUBE dies for TUBE,,they are both made of the same process and material....
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Fill us in on the difference between PIPE and TUBE besides the I.D. and O.D. measurements and why only "smart" people use TUBE

The only difference in being smart or not is buyin PIPE dies for PIPE,and buying TUBE dies for TUBE,,they are both made of the same process and material....
So you're saying Schedule 40 is the same as Drawn Over Mandrel? I know you know better, but thats basically what you just stated.

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So you're saying Schedule 40 is the same as Drawn Over Mandrel? I know you know better, but thats basically what you just stated.

You never mentioned DOM tubing?

There is welded tubing out there that some people use on a budget too..and there is DOM PIPE used for high pressure pipe applications in mild steel,stainless and other material,i'm kind of like a Marine at times..IMPROVISE.. as long as the material is just as strong or stronger when it can be bought or had cheaper,or better yet..FREE ,when it's sitting in a scrap bin

To the OP..i have the HF pipe bender i use at times for just property gates i build for farmers and hunting property owners around here,yes it will kink the pipe unless using the old sand method which is time consuming and a PITA to do.
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I bent this with a HF pipe bender:



Of course, there were no 90's in this, but the pipe had minimal kinking. It worked for me, and I did not do the sand or water or oil packing. I think it depends on what you want to do with it. This worked for me.

Edit: I used sch40 pipe for this. We had it laying around work, so I figured, what the heck?
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use a hf bender for bumpers,sliders,and a stinger. just use sand and it doesn;t kink. would use a jd2 but just cant afford it.
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I bent this with a HF pipe bender:



Of course, there were no 90's in this, but the pipe had minimal kinking. It worked for me, and I did not do the sand or water or oil packing. I think it depends on what you want to do with it. This worked for me.

Edit: I used sch40 pipe for this. We had it laying around work, so I figured, what the heck?
It's meant for sch. 40 pipe: it's not meant for DOM: It doesn't kink pipe, with or without sand (at least not much)... it's fine for what you used it for, but when it comes to a life safety issue (cages) the stakes go way up...
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not to mention none of the dies are the right size for tubing.

You can make a cage fine out of sch40 pipe, many people do. Many sanctioning race bodies allow it also. If you want to make bumpers sliders, tire carriers and all that it will work ok with pipe. If you want to bend it further or make race legal cages you want a better bender, either a plain rotary draw, or any mandrel bender. For casual cages and such out of pipe, it will probably work, just not be as pretty, or quite as strong.

If you want to bend tube, get a bender with tube dies, if you want to bend pipe get pipe dies. You can get fine results from a pressure bender with the right dies. The HF bender has cheap(er) dies and they will not be as good as others, and the stationary bars really need to be sized dies also for good results.

Just remember to get the right material for the bender, or visa versa.
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Yep, it is for pipe only. But if the OP can get one for $40, why not?
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Unread 06-04-2010, 12:43 AM   #13
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You could use it for running pipe air lines in your garage too.
Years back I made some safari racks for XJs with black pipe they turned out highly functional.

There are safer but more expensive options for roll cages.
Pipe is not as strong as HREW tubing, DOM is even stronger.
Chromoly DOM 4130 is even stronger but has to be welded correctly and is the more expensive option.
I use the cheap pipe for non-load bearing applications in general fabrication around our shop.
The expensive DOM tubing is used for things that protect me when I roll at high speed.

Buying tube dies alone suck at generally $250 each.
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