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post #1 of 8 Old 09-26-2012, 03:08 PM Thread Starter
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Welding vs. Bending

Preparing to start working on building off of a 94 YJ frame and would like to make new body mount brackets, axle truss, etc. Most of the "factory built" accessories like these are bent with a press brake. I don't have one (yet) and know that the look of these brackets are cleaner and I am assuming ultimately stronger. However, I would really like to fab my own parts. Should I have any concern with welding multiple pieces together to form a bracket, etc. in lieu of spending the money on a press brake? Or, any shame in it for that matter?

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post #2 of 8 Old 09-26-2012, 04:14 PM
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most factory piece are made from a single piece and are stamped. the reason for this is ease and speed. its alot quicker to take a flat sheet of metal and stamp out a body mount than it is for them to cut multiple pieces and weld them together.

there is no reason not to weld up a piece yourself IMO. cut out what you need and get to welding.

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Two pieces of metal welded together "properly" are stronger than the steel is on it's own. BUT that means a full penetration weld without defects,I don't know how your welding skills are, But if you can weld I would say go for it! It will probably be plenty strong enough and you can say that you made it yourself.
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You can also cut the material almost in two, bend it by hand and weld the gap, I have done this when I needed less than a 90deg bend in something.
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Thanks for the input. I really enjoy making my own parts and one of the main reasons for my build (other than the fact that I'm tired of replacing rust on my current Jeep) is simply because I like working on stuff like this. I have a 220v AC/DC Lincoln stick that I feel comfortable with. I can weld, but I'm not going to insult the pro's out there by calling myself a welder.
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Body mounts can also be easily cut from rectangle, box, or "C" channel. Just draw out what you need and cut away the rest. Then just drill them out with a hole saw and weld to the frame. Just another option to using a brake or cutting all three sides from plate and welding. Post up some pics and let us know what you come up with.
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I was thinking a piece of 2x2 .125 square cut at 45* angle there is the mount, no bending, no welding. Drill a hole and weld to frame. I'm all for building over buying, but if building you must be smart about not making extra work for yourself. Cutting 2 triangles and a square, plus prepping, and welding. A bit much when compared to one strategic cut.

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Two pieces of metal welded together "properly" are stronger than the steel is on it's own. BUT that means a full penetration weld without defects,I don't know how your welding skills are, But if you can weld I would say go for it! It will probably be plenty strong enough and you can say that you made it yourself.
That also means post-weld heat-treatment (to reduce the effects of the change in temper at the borders of the HAZ...)

Given a choice, I'll make forms to bend the metal around, then heat up the whole piece of metal and bend it. Fewer discontinuities, no HAZ, and simpler heat-treatment (since you just have to worry about work hardening instead of the HAZ and discontinuities.)

The HAZ decreases as the process advances - torch>stick>MIG>TIG - but you can't get away from it.

Mounts are bent because it is easier and cheaper to do so, just as screw threads are rolled because it is easier and cheaper to do so. This is a case where doing something the easy way gets you a better part (rolled threads are effectively cold-forged and the material compressed, while a cut thread is effectively a stress riser in the material.) In softer materials, you should use a thread forming tap instead of a thread cutting tape - same reasons.

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