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Missouribound 05-20-2010 07:30 PM

Which welder?
 
This coming winter, while I am laid off, I plan on doing a lot of repair on my YJ and other repairs around my home and shop. I'm sure I am going to buy a MIG welder, but I'd like some advice as to just how much of a welder I need for misc. welding and frame repair and building. I was hoping a 120 volt welder would suffice, but I'm not opposed to installing a 240 circuit if it's what is needed. I appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Zazoos 05-20-2010 07:40 PM

I absolutely love my Miller Mig 211 Autoset. Makes me look like a professional welder. Runs on 120v or 220v. Tank of CO2/Argon last about 9 rolls of 3lb wire.

The Mig 212 looked really nice, but it cost about $700 more and only ran on 220v. Get you a rolling cart and an auto darkening hood from Harbor Freights and you are good to go.

DDove 05-20-2010 09:11 PM

I have the hobart handler 140 and love it. Its a great machine and can do really anything you want.

djsmith1174 05-20-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DDove (Post 9497706)
I have the hobart handler 140 and love it. Its a great machine and can do really anything you want.

+1. I love mine.

jsc7002 05-20-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DDove (Post 9497706)
I have the hobart handler 140 and love it. Its a great machine and can do really anything you want.

+2, I have built my CJ7 buggy with my Hobart Handler 140 on flux core wire.

dodger889 05-21-2010 05:40 AM

I have a 140 too works great for anything I do. icluding to weld up a towbar mount (tabs ) to the front bumper. Here is the trick for making it to work good.. Put it on a 20 amp circuit by it's self to use it with heavy enough wiring to be able to pull 30 amps through it.

HELMET 05-21-2010 06:20 AM

I have been shopping for a new mig welder and have decided on the Lincoln 140c. The quality of the Lincoln 140 compared to the Miller 140 seems much better. A couple of examples are, that the Lincoln wiring is all copper to copper connections, the Miller has copper to aluminum connections, the Lincoln gas line fittings are all brass, the Miller fittings are plastic.

The bigger Millers are better quality than the small ones.

A good 100 amp welder will work, a good 140 amp welder will work allot better, and anything bigger will make it easier for you to get better penetration and duty cycle on the big stuff.

I currently use a 15 year old 110v Lincoln 100 mig, and an old,old 220v Lincoln arc welder.

lowrollin12 05-21-2010 08:39 AM

Lincoln electrics are great machines! had mine for 10+ years!

Kettles 05-21-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HELMET (Post 9499028)
I have been shopping for a new mig welder and have decided on the Lincoln 140c. The quality of the Lincoln 140 compared to the Miller 140 seems much better. A couple of examples are, that the Lincoln wiring is all copper to copper connections, the Miller has copper to aluminum connections, the Lincoln gas line fittings are all brass, the Miller fittings are plastic.

The bigger Millers are better quality than the small ones.

A good 100 amp welder will work, a good 140 amp welder will work allot better, and anything bigger will make it easier for you to get better penetration and duty cycle on the big stuff.

I currently use a 15 year old 110v Lincoln 100 mig, and an old,old 220v Lincoln arc welder.

I chose my Lincoln 140c over miller because it seemed to just be nicer parts and better quality. Heavy duty ground clamps, the connections you mentioned, solid aluminum drive assembly etc.

And she performs beautifully!

Ironworker709 05-21-2010 08:46 PM

You mentioned frame repair,i would go with a 220v for that.
Miller ,Lincoln ,Hobart are all good machines

Unlimited04 05-21-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironworker709 (Post 9503165)
You mentioned frame repair,i would go with a 220v for that.

why? frame is usually 1/8" or 3/16"

Ironworker709 05-22-2010 05:28 AM

A frame takes more abuse than anything else on a vehicle,even though these new 110v 140's run smooth,i still would not trust them getting the actual burn in penetration on some things that are this crucial.

I had a Lincoln Pro-Mig 135 for a few years before i bought my Lincoln 180,even with fluxcore and plugged directly into the receptacle with no extension cord it just never had the "guts" for a good burn in being a 110v.
I have also used the HH 140 at my buddies shop and it felt the same way.

Maybe it's because i'm used to a good burn in with machines i've used over the years and the 110v just seemed very weak compared to what i'm used to,but i'm not the only weldor that feels this way,do some internet searching in pro welding forums and informational websites and the one's with years of expereince and knowledge will say the same thing.

They'd be good for other projects but not for the flex/abuse a frame takes and the beating an axle takes too.

It may be "ok" for someone who really takes the time and has the years of skills to know what he is looking for and the right prep..etc..but something this crucial i wouldn't want to use something that would be "at the edge" of it's capability for a good burn in,i'd rather have something that is well over the capability of the need where i KNOW it will give me a better than needed performance ..like a 220v

And i did use my 135 to build a hitch receiver on my old 86 F250 diesel and it hauled over 10,000 lb loads alot,and held up well,but..i preheated all the weldments and it put the machine past it's duty cycle a few times doing it.

Now a days the only price difference between a 110v and 220v is about 100.00 and if you search and be pateint,you can get a good 220v for the same price as a 110v.
I bought my Lincoln Pro-Mig 180 last year brand new from an authorised dealer for 500.00 shipped to my door after doing some searching and being pateint for only a few weeks.


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