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Unread 04-25-2010, 05:47 PM   #16
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I know it's too late now but you could have run a bead on the inside then smoothed the outside welds with a flap disk.
You did a fine job fabbin it up going off just an idea.

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Unread 04-25-2010, 06:35 PM   #17
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I dont think the welds look bad on the outside.
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Unread 04-26-2010, 06:04 AM   #18
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It's just a look thing for me and "I" would have smoothed it, you like it and that's all that counts.
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Unread 04-26-2010, 07:31 PM   #19
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Smoothed out welds don't hang on rocks...
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Unread 04-26-2010, 08:38 PM   #20
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Smoothed out welds don't hang on rocks...
LOL, you must be joking. Those are clean looking welds. Grinding them down would be a shame. Grinding welds is for beginner welders to cover up their butcher jobs (or body work).
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Unread 04-26-2010, 09:44 PM   #21
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LOL, you must be joking. Those are clean looking welds. Grinding them down would be a shame. Grinding welds is for beginner welders to cover up their butcher jobs (or body work).
A) am I right or am I wrong: will a rock grab on a weld or not? I'll guarandamntee you that it can and will.

B) yep, I was thinking the welds looked pretty clean myself: until I saw this view:



Heck, that one vertical one is casting a freakin' shadow for pete's sake: the "money" ones on the bottom don't look like that, but if they're similar, they could cause a problem.. pretty good looking welds, but that wouldn't keep them from grabbing..


Black paint can make chunky welds go away, and it can emphasize them: depends on how the light hits them... One way or another, you can certainly grind away mistakes, but you can also grind away metal that can cause a problem even on a good weld: grinders have their place.. There's no shame in using a grinder, but the better you get at welding, the less you end up having to use them... Unless you're welding pipelines or something, sooner or later you're going to need to grind off a weld or portion thereof. The point isn't to show off your beautiful welds, the point is to have a functional piece once you put the stinger or MIG gun (and the grinder) down...

One way or another, his work looks great: very clean work, great fitting, etc.. That being said, the devil's in the details, and if there's an eighth of an inch protruding weld down there, it'll grab...

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Unread 04-26-2010, 10:53 PM   #22
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how do you get your welds so good on the outside edges of joining pieces? any tips? i have a hard time not burning through the metal...

the inside edges are always easier..
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LOL, you must be joking. Those are clean looking welds. Grinding them down would be a shame. Grinding welds is for beginner welders to cover up their butcher jobs (or body work).
So any ground weld is a beginners weld? Interesting way to look at metal fabrication.
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So any ground weld is a beginners weld? Interesting way to look at metal fabrication.
No, but its not hard to tell when a weld needed to be ground, and where it was ground to cover up crappy welds. Other than body work and "art", when do you need to ground down a weld?
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No, but its not hard to tell when a weld needed to be ground, and where it was ground to cover up crappy welds. Other than body work and "art", when do you need to ground down a weld?
Art for the most part, like bumper ends, skids, outside seams of a box, rosett welds, filled holes/cracks, radius edge on the back of a dump trailer so soil will slide out easier ...etc.
I'm not a weldor by trade, hobby is all and "I" like a smooth finish on the outside, I run a bead on the inside if possible and especially if it need to be structurally sound.
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The general practice is that welds which are structural in nature should not be ground down for reasons of appearance, because it reduces the strength. If you have to grind down a weld for reasons of fit or function, that is another matter.
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You guys are critizing his welds? Really? haha wow...
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The general practice is that welds which are structural in nature should not be ground down for reasons of appearance, because it reduces the strength. If you have to grind down a weld for reasons of fit or function, that is another matter.
And in this case, it's a reason of function. You just flat-out will be better with a smooth surface on the bottom in a case like this: if that removes too much of a weld from a structural perspective, then there's always the inside...
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You guys are critizing his welds? Really? haha wow...
No, the welds are fine: we're criticizing his grinding, or more accurately the lack thereof. Keep up..
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You guys have got to be KIDDING me...critisizing this person's welding and fab skills?

I've never in my years around the 4x4 sport see a weld hang on to a rock..welds are in a ROUND formation,it just slides right over the rock.

Amatuers..hobbyists and pro's ALL grind welds for several different reasons.

If a weld is 100% penetration through the thickness of the base metal,then grinding it down for appearance reasons is perfectly NORMAL and the welded area is still STRONGER then the base metal itself.

Even in structural fabrication there is reasons for grinding a welded surface down after welding...
#1 Tight clearance issues where the part will be placed
#2 for what is called in here"art work"..but really just make it look better and not a "frankenstein" peice.
#3 Holes needing filled ...or fabrication marks/scars where something was tacked onto it for fabrication..etc.

Those are just a few GOOD reasons for "professional" fabricators/welders to grind welds.

I think this guy's skid plate looks GREAT with the welds left untouched,it shows some craftsmanship and shows it's not just another store bought item.

And those "shadows' from the welds?...lol..it just means he got a good "crown" on his welds..which is EXACTLY what is required on a good weld..a nice round shaped,no undercut,no overfill weld.
If there was no shadow?..it would be too flat..concave or undercut.....all 3 being weaker welds.
Even the best smoothest welds,black paint will show ALL wrinkles in a weld pass,which is pretty much a RARE thing unless a robotic machine ran it or someone "doctored"it up before painting.

Since i ground the ends of my tubular bumpers and outside welds on them..i geuss in some opinions in here..My welding SUCKS because i decided to grind some of them for looks......
Get a GRIP,some just LOOK for something negative to say about a person's nice welds or fabrication skills in here ..too much of it going in here anymore......

Whether a person grinds a weld out for looks..or keeps the weld there ..is a personal preference

All E7018 3/32" stick ,all beveled and 1/16th gap 100 % pen..outside ground smooth,inside welds left,just showing off my "beginners welds" because i ground them

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