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Unread 03-10-2011, 10:41 PM   #1
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Tie Rod vs. Track Bar....who will win?

The patient: 97 TJ with Skyjacker 6" longarm lift and 35" tires.

The issue: Trackbar bolt and tie rod end are meeting.

Provoked by: Adjusting the +10 caster back to +5 caster. Can't go back either, as the two components were already too close. Going to have to fix this one quick before there is a meltdown.

Options so far:
1. Rebuild the track bar bracket (running out of room already from the diff truss).
2. Replace the tie rod end with a heim joint (don't really want to drill out my drag link).
3. Replace the track bar end with a heim joint (wow...that's alot of work).
4. Replace the stock TJ drag link and tie rod with stock ZJ components and see if new hardware affords a little space (cool but kinda pricey).

I need some help deciding on this one. Any thoughts on the options or other options? Also, I'm not a master fabricator, but know how to do a little welding and have a saw. I can Bridgeport like nobody's business, but I'm short the Bridgeport, so simplicity wins the day.

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Unread 03-10-2011, 11:08 PM   #2
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Unread 03-11-2011, 07:10 AM   #3
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Why not move the track bar mounting?? Yes it would require you to do some cutting and welding. But on the KISS program seems to be the easiest to do.
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Unread 03-11-2011, 07:56 PM   #4
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Well, space in that area is at a serious premium. It's tucked right next to the coil spring on one side, and the diff truss on the other. I have about 1/2 of shift going backwards, but where the bold is, it would require the bar to be shortened in order to get it past the spring.

I was talking to someone today at our local tie rod shop (Rod End Supply http://www.rodendsupply.com). The tie rod is stock, so aftermarket tie rods for it are rare because of the 11/16 shaft size, but they directed me to Speedway Motors in Lincoln - http://www.speedwaymotors.com. They sell a stud kit that fits into a tapered hole. Rod End Supply has a radial riviter that can swedge the stud into the bie rod end, and I can convert the rest of the tie rod to non-stock.

In the mean time, I cut a notch into the bolt so the tie rod doesn't continually rest on the head. Not a long term solution, since there is still a minor amount of contact, but I'll probably end up converting the tie rod to custom with heim joints.

If I win the lottery, I'll convert to an HD sterring solution.
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Unread 03-11-2011, 08:08 PM   #5
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So as an update, after setting the caster on the front end to the correct setting, I *enjoyed* a day of driving my jeep with no forward tracking whatsoever, and some serious thrust angle problems.

After getting home early, my trusty sidekick and I measured the distance between the two axles and found that there was a 1/4 inch diff between the driver and passenger side. After all was said and done, We put about another degree of + caster on it, adjusted the 1/4 difference out using the control arms, and found/reduced the 1/2 " toe in to 1/16. Only took two tries, but now Roxy is tracking like a champ.
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