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Unread 11-01-2013, 09:37 PM   #2011
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Got my front and rear bumpers done today. Both are made from 3 x 6 x 1/4 and the tire carrier is from 2 x 2 x 3/16. Spindle is from Northern tool and is 1 1/16 outer bearing and 1 3/8 inner bearing. These things will take down a house.

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Unread 11-03-2013, 10:18 PM   #2012
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^^Taking Armor to a new level^^

Very nice!
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Unread 11-04-2013, 05:32 AM   #2013
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Thanks WSS. So much for any sort of gas mileage By the time I add a winch and a few other things this thing will be as heavy as an F250. Glad I went with the engine change. I am sure to need the extra horsepower.
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Unread 11-04-2013, 04:15 PM   #2014
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Haha. With a basic 6-point cage, 2 GPF bumpers w swing arm, a 10k winch, a hard top, and a roof rack, I'm at about 4k lbs and still running a 258 w/auto trans. lol
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Unread 11-04-2013, 08:10 PM   #2015
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The roll cage is on the list although it won't be anytime soon. It is time to finish the bodywork and paint. Did you fab your cage or purchase one from a vendor?
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Unread 11-04-2013, 09:03 PM   #2016
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Haha. With a basic 6-point cage, 2 GPF bumpers w swing arm, a 10k winch, a hard top, and a roof rack, I'm at about 4k lbs and still running a 258 w/auto trans. lol
Got you beat! I just scaled mine and it is 4400lbs!
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Unread 12-17-2013, 08:14 PM   #2017
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I am new to this forum, but I have been a metal fabricator for 35 years. So many great ideas in just this post. I recently ordered the AtoZ heavy bearing set to fab up a tire carrier. I have a similar rear bumper made by someone else. The PO only used the 4 outside bolts to mount the U-shaped bumper brackets. There are 2 other sets of holes in each bracket that I will have to drill in after I remove the Kirby tank guard. The receiver is flush mount and has very little space in the back for the hitch locking pin, so the PO bolted it on.

I also ordered a somewhat custom tube bent from Zach at AtoZ to protect the winch. I pulled the front bumper, fill welded and ground all the extra holes and welded the tube with about a 20* front angle. Primed a couple coats and sprayed with Rustoleum truck bed liner. I like it. Looks good with the Light Force lights. Thinking about a smaller diameter tube on both ends to protect those light.

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I may get a little flack for this, but I would like to beg, borrow and steal from your design and possibly order a few items.

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Unread 12-18-2013, 08:32 AM   #2018
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Nice! The tube definately gives it a more "finished" look.

Help yourself to any of my ideas.. and hit me up anytime if you need anything I can help with.
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Unread 12-18-2013, 03:13 PM   #2019
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Thanks to Besrk, I'm going to add a tire carrier to my Dirtworx rear bumper. I've already bought the AtoZ Mega Spindle, a GP Spindle, the Destaco Clamp and a Stop Pin, so I'm about ready to cut and weld. I'm wavering on whether I need gas storage and how to implement it. One idea is attached.

Anyone have any strong opinions about Rotopax carriers? I like the 2gal Rotopax because they are narrower than a 5gal Jerry Can, and will keep the tire tucked in a couple of extra inches. They also make it easy to carry 2gal of water and 2gal of gas. Rotopax is somewhat expensive, but I don't have to buy them now - I just have to build the tire carrier to accommodate them.

The square top frame piece will make it easy to mount a HiLift jack in the future. Or I could mount it to the side frame.

Neither the stop pin design or latch design are final yet. And I want to add a padlock attachment too - to protect the Rotopax from theft.

Thanks, StanF

ps: in case anyone is interested, this was done in Solidworks.
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Unread 12-19-2013, 12:00 PM   #2020
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I would make two cross members adjustable to fit 4 Rotopaxs and make a drop-in flat plate with bolt thru tabs to support the 2 deep Rotopaxs. I would also make the opening big enough for a jerry can, in case you change your mind later. I would rather carry 5 gallons of gas and 5 gallons of water. Without a trailer or roof rack, figure the most you would carry on a weekend or extended back country trip.
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Unread 12-20-2013, 07:46 AM   #2021
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I would make two cross members adjustable to fit 4 Rotopaxs and make a drop-in flat plate with bolt thru tabs to support the 2 deep Rotopaxs. I would also make the opening big enough for a jerry can, in case you change your mind later. I would rather carry 5 gallons of gas and 5 gallons of water. Without a trailer or roof rack, figure the most you would carry on a weekend or extended back country trip.
Interesting idea - the 5gal Jerry can is exactly the same outline as the 2gal Rotopax, but deeper:

Jerry Can 5gal: 18.5 x 13.5 x 6.5"
Rotopax 2gal: 18.5 x 13.5 x 3 inches

I may use your bolt-on plate idea to allow future flexibility later. I could reconfigure it to carry either the two extra Rotopax or 2 x Jerry Cans. Good suggestion!

Could you tell me exactly what you mean by "drop-in flat plate with bolt thru tabs"? I could think of a bunch of different ways to do this, but I'm curious what you mean.
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Unread 12-20-2013, 05:10 PM   #2022
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Your horizontal tube is 2" wide, so one Rotopax will fit. For 2, there would only be 1" of support which is not sufficient. Cut a plate about 3/16" thick 6-1/2" x 18-3/8". On the bottom weld 4 tabs, 1/8" sheet metal 1/2" x 1" with a 1/4" hole, spaced to fit over the 2" horizontal tube. Whenever you don't need them, just take them off and push your spare flush with the A-frame. You could use 1/4" diameter pins to retain the plates. Like these; http://www.mcmaster.com/#clevis-pins/=pw9hex

BBESRK makes a jerry can plate that can be modified easily. See post 1777 on pg 119.
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Unread 01-02-2014, 09:25 AM   #2023
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Wow. Just finished this whole thread & its taken me about a week. Great craftsmanship! I'm a little sorry to see nothing for the XJ but in a way I'm not b/c now I can build my own! I hope you don't mind me stealing some ideas Eddie. I will post my build when I'm done & if it passes everyone's approval I'll freely give the info on it.
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Unread 01-02-2014, 08:46 PM   #2024
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A couple more photos of Besrk's bumper.
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Unread 01-04-2014, 09:45 AM   #2025
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CJ Guys - Have you goes done anything to reinforce the frame for heavy bumpers? I have frame tie-in kits, but they bent over time. I pull a little M416 Jeep Trailer with me most of the time. My bumper has kind of a permanent rear "lean". I'm probably going to drop the bumper (one of these days... if I ever get some time) and reinforce the rear crossmember somehow. Just inquiring if there is a better solution.

OR, I may just make some weld-on frame tie in brackets that extend forward about 6" or so on the frame. That should help.

Thanks in advance! - Jeremy
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