OFFICIAL ** Steering Fabrication Thread **

**FunkSkunk** · 01-15-2004, 08:35 AM

just thought i would start one central steering fab area so we can combine all our efforts to learn how to make strong safe reliable steering for our many jeeps. Sounds good? well here is a pic and a link to a great company that has lots of info, diagrams, pictures on correct and incorrect steering angles and other things....

Please post ideas, measurements, specs whatever so we all can do this right the first time!

http://bulletproofsteering.com

dzp · 01-15-2004, 10:58 AM

Great idea. I am about to re-design the steering on my Toyota.

MudMonster · 01-15-2004, 11:45 AM

ignoring cost, the M.O.R.E. tie rod and drag links look like a real simple way to do it, with the streight hole and all.

www.mountainoffroad.com

**FunkSkunk** · 01-15-2004, 08:10 PM

I'm actually get a cardboard template of the more kit sent to me. I'll try to copy it into the computer and post it on here. We'll see how that goes.....

yota stuff.... have you checked AllProOffroad yet?

Good thread from pirate to learn from.... http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209811

Good one on fixing CJ steering issues --> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167773&highlight=jeep+s teering

**FunkSkunk** · 01-15-2004, 08:11 PM

I've heard multiple people tell me that the MORE kit limits your turning radius. www.wnccustomjeeps.com makes a better one for the Dana 30 that doesn't limit it.

AprilzWarrior · 01-20-2004, 08:07 PM

Poison Spyder Custom HD Steering here...

I love to Bash it.

AW

**FunkSkunk** · 01-22-2004, 12:34 PM

so post up some tips fellas!

Chaz_TJ · 01-28-2004, 04:00 PM

http://www.goferitoffroad.com/products.htm

Look for tie rod flip.. Maybe easier and less expensive!!

**LOCKED UP** · 01-29-2004, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunkSkunk

I've heard multiple people tell me that the MORE kit limits your turning radius. www.wnccustomjeeps.com makes a better one for the Dana 30 that doesn't limit it.

Funk,

DO you know how/why it limits the turning radius?

Looking at it I can't see how it would ... but what do I know?

BART CJ5 · 01-29-2004, 09:50 PM

For CJ's

If money is no object this kit includes steer stab relocator too, and you can go to a stock configured pitman if you have a lift.
http://www.jksmfg.com/formula_one_steering.htm

BamaJeeper · 02-01-2004, 05:51 AM

This guys parts are reasonably priced and is highly recommended at pirate4x4.
When I get high steer arms he will be the one I call.
http://www.partsmikeparts.com/

He also has the correct studs and conical nuts for fastening high steer arms to GM flat top knuckles.

Oh yeah.
The pic in the first post should have a safety washer between the bolt and heim so the heim does not slide up and over the bolt when the heim fails.

**FunkSkunk** · 02-11-2004, 10:18 PM

would anyone be able to use a template for High steer for the D30?? I have one i could scan if anyone wants it.

dzp · 02-12-2004, 08:13 AM

I possibly could. I've got a friend that wants to move it up after bending a few. His is on a CJ7.

**FunkSkunk** · 02-12-2004, 02:50 PM

its really only to raise up the drag to parrallel similar to the MORE kit

eight · 02-12-2004, 11:02 PM

Tips?

Steering links are pretty basic. You need somethin to use as a rod, tap threads into the rod or use weld in inserts, and rod ends.

If tapping threads, you need something with a max of 11/16" ID. 1.25 x .25" wall is popular for this. That size is fine if you don't plan on hitting it as with high steer. If the steering is left low, a piece of 1 1/4" sch 40 pipe will fit over it and provide some more strength. Weld the pipe to the tube at the ends and a few rosset welds along the length of it. Mine is done like this.

If you are going to use weld-in threaded inserts, a few popular materials are 1.5 x .25" wall tubing, 1" sch 40 pipe sleeved with 1 1/4" sch 40 pipe, or 1 1/4" sch 160 (.25" wall).

The standard heim joints used for steering are 3/4" shank, with 3/4" or 5/8" bolt holes. I prefer the 5/8" holed ones because they offer more angle and I never hear of anyone breaking the 5/8" bolt. The best deal I can find on good heims is the extra high strength ones from Jegs. You will need misalignment washers for the drag link. They are tapered spacers to space the heim body away from the steering arm and the bolt. Without these there is little angle before binding.

If you want to use stock style tie rod ends there are weld in threaded inserts for them too. Or you can find the correct size of tube and have it tapped.

Don't forget to order jam nuts. They're just thin fine thread nuts but can be hard to find.

Don't be discouraged if you bend your steering. It happens. It can be straightened.

01-15-2004, 10:58 AM	#2
dzp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 634 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Great idea. I am about to re-design the steering on my Toyota. __________________ [email]zack@dzpdrafting.com[/email] Tyler, Texas 97 TJ, Red, 33" MTR's, Locked F/R, D30/Ford8.8, JKS Disco's, DT3000's, tinted Sailcloth top, 8k Ramsey, Custom bumpers/armor, Ramps 890 on 25degree ramp. [URL=http://www.dzpdrafting.com]DZP Drafting & Fabrication[/URL] [URL=http://www.jeepet.com]Jeeps of East Texas Club[/URL] [URL=http://www.tkff.com]Tyler Kung Fu & Fitness[/URL]

01-15-2004, 11:45 AM	#3
MudMonster Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ft. Mitchell, KY Posts: 613 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	ignoring cost, the M.O.R.E. tie rod and drag links look like a real simple way to do it, with the streight hole and all. www.mountainoffroad.com __________________ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed" [COLOR=red][B][SIZE=3]RED JEEP CLUB MEMBER #78[/SIZE] [/B] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=red]BIG GUNS[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]AND[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]JEEP[/COLOR] OWNERS OF AMERICA CLUB MEMBER #3[/B] [B][COLOR=Red]Red[/COLOR][COLOR=Blue] Neck [/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]Jeep[/COLOR][COLOR=Blue] Club[/COLOR][COLOR=White]Member#27[/COLOR][/B]Fire Engine Red '85 CJ-7, Howell FI-258, T-176, D300, 9", Warn Internal Hubs, Wagoneer front springs, RE Wrangler's in the rear, 33" TrXus', HEI conversion, Taurus fan, no emissions junk, and some 150w daylighters

01-29-2004, 09:50 PM	#10
BART CJ5 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Center Point, IA Posts: 164 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	For CJ's If money is no object this kit includes steer stab relocator too, and you can go to a stock configured pitman if you have a lift. http://www.jksmfg.com/formula_one_steering.htm __________________ [COLOR=Red]'79 [/COLOR] [COLOR=Silver]CJ5[/COLOR] 4" lift, 4 corner DT3000's, 33x12.5R15 TSL on black steel 15x8's (2"b.s.), full cage, [COLOR=Silver]C.C.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]4X4[/COLOR] 3/16x2x4 rear frame, [COLOR=Silver]C.C.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]4X4[/COLOR] S.R.S, stretched wheel base, [COLOR=Silver]C.C.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]4X4[/COLOR] front and rear bash bumpers, work in progress.

02-01-2004, 05:51 AM	#11
BamaJeeper Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,467 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	This guys parts are reasonably priced and is highly recommended at pirate4x4. When I get high steer arms he will be the one I call. http://www.partsmikeparts.com/ He also has the correct studs and conical nuts for fastening high steer arms to GM flat top knuckles. Oh yeah. The pic in the first post should have a safety washer between the bolt and heim so the heim does not slide up and over the bolt when the heim fails. __________________ Out of the darkness comes light. Last edited by BamaJeeper; 02-01-2004 at 05:54 AM..

02-12-2004, 08:13 AM	#13
dzp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 634 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	I possibly could. I've got a friend that wants to move it up after bending a few. His is on a CJ7. __________________ [email]zack@dzpdrafting.com[/email] Tyler, Texas 97 TJ, Red, 33" MTR's, Locked F/R, D30/Ford8.8, JKS Disco's, DT3000's, tinted Sailcloth top, 8k Ramsey, Custom bumpers/armor, Ramps 890 on 25degree ramp. [URL=http://www.dzpdrafting.com]DZP Drafting & Fabrication[/URL] [URL=http://www.jeepet.com]Jeeps of East Texas Club[/URL] [URL=http://www.tkff.com]Tyler Kung Fu & Fitness[/URL]

01-20-2004, 08:07 PM	#6
AprilzWarrior Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: CA Posts: 143 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Poison Spyder Custom HD Steering here... I love to Bash it. AW

01-28-2004, 04:00 PM	#8
Chaz_TJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	http://www.goferitoffroad.com/products.htm Look for tie rod flip.. Maybe easier and less expensive!!

02-12-2004, 11:02 PM	#15
eight Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 354 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Tips? Steering links are pretty basic. You need somethin to use as a rod, tap threads into the rod or use weld in inserts, and rod ends. If tapping threads, you need something with a max of 11/16" ID. 1.25 x .25" wall is popular for this. That size is fine if you don't plan on hitting it as with high steer. If the steering is left low, a piece of 1 1/4" sch 40 pipe will fit over it and provide some more strength. Weld the pipe to the tube at the ends and a few rosset welds along the length of it. Mine is done like this. If you are going to use weld-in threaded inserts, a few popular materials are 1.5 x .25" wall tubing, 1" sch 40 pipe sleeved with 1 1/4" sch 40 pipe, or 1 1/4" sch 160 (.25" wall). The standard heim joints used for steering are 3/4" shank, with 3/4" or 5/8" bolt holes. I prefer the 5/8" holed ones because they offer more angle and I never hear of anyone breaking the 5/8" bolt. The best deal I can find on good heims is the extra high strength ones from Jegs. You will need misalignment washers for the drag link. They are tapered spacers to space the heim body away from the steering arm and the bolt. Without these there is little angle before binding. If you want to use stock style tie rod ends there are weld in threaded inserts for them too. Or you can find the correct size of tube and have it tapped. Don't forget to order jam nuts. They're just thin fine thread nuts but can be hard to find. Don't be discouraged if you bend your steering. It happens. It can be straightened. __________________ [url=http://www.tamor.org/]Texas A&M Off-Road[/url] Last edited by eight; 02-12-2004 at 11:10 PM..